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This is one response to a yahoo article about a govt minister comments on benefit of £53 a week .



Auntie Daffers •
I'd blow the lot in one night on ten pints of guiness, a kebab with curry sauce
two packets of cheese n onion crisps, a pickled egg and a taxi home as
I'm #$%$. And I vote Labour
 


andrew •
Typical Labour Supporter!
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Auntie Daffers •
Your dead right there Andy. I aint worked for years and dont intend to start now.
I make a few quid now and then on the dogs, so with the benefits I do OK.
And I know what party supports the working man
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Trevor •
Working man?

You mean the non-working sponger!
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Dan'o •
And what party is that? It was not Labour in their last term thats for sure, they sold the working man down the river, with our gold and everything else worth anything. New labour = old conservatives.
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M •
I think Auntie Daffers is winding us up?
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Dan'o •
For sure.
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Big Geordie •
Clearly he is a Tory!
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Auntie Daffers •
flippin 'eck. They blocked me out. Oh well I'll drink to that

Thats hilarious.

The original story is quite funny too, where it emerged that the guy that put the challenge to IDS actually gets over £400 a month in other benefits on top of his £53 per week from his market stall!

My road is 50/50 private owned/council/social housing tenants and the (unemployed) council tenants with the same number of kids as us (and more in some cases) do well. Granted they don't own X5's, but they are constantly out getting p*ssed, returning in taxis all the time and buy loads of takeaways and cigarettes. They certainly have their priorities in order  ). Its certainly a stereotype but on my road (and in my area in general) its actually a factual description of what I see. Thankfully we'll have moved soon but that's only because having gone self employed I can finally afford to do so. Had I stayed working 40 hrs a week in my so-called well paid employment we would have been living parallel lives with the people I describe above, despite them not having to work for it.

I'm not angry about the situation (the general benefits culture in this country) - I'm too laid back to be, but I understand why so many people are. 

I agree there needs to be a wider gap between hard workers and those provided for by benefits, (as much as I feel for genuine folk who have no choice than to claim & through no fault of their own).

Either benefits have go to go down or wages have got to go up in order that hard working folk can see some advantage over scroungers living alongside them in mixed housing eutopia.

Some could argue it is a disgrace when folk work their butts off all week & struggle to pay for a basic lifestyle when many of their bosses have nice homes, luxury cars & multiple holidays/breaks each year.................I am not a communist, (far from it), & I know many businesses are struggling, however, many do well enough to pay better wages to loyal staff, (who cant use cunning accounting to reduce their taxes). Meaningful increases &/or work/attendance related bonuses could widen the gap between those on benefits & many workers. John Lewis seem to have a fairly decent attitude towards staff .......Arguably there would be some potential growth if increased wages caused folk to spend a little more.

I am not an economist & appreciate there are multiple economic factors to consider in the bigger picture, however, it seems many choose to be oblivious to the fact that many hard workers, (unskilled, semi skilled, specialist role or otherwise qualified), are forced to cut back disproportionately due to increased cost of living & increased deductions relative to often static or even lower income(s).

economics, supply and demand of talent etc come into play when determining wages and benefits of workers. so i'm less worried about that. even the so called millionaire banker boys.

so yes i do agree that there's probably an issue between the top and  lower ranks. but to me that's the lesser of the evils. they're all working for a living, carrying their own weight.

the bigger evil is the massive cost of benefits on the economy, whilst the gap between the workers and those on benefits has become so marginal that some just prefer to stay at home and just pop more babies to get better and bigger benefits!! like in that article some ppl just don't even get the concept of having to 'work' in life.. or 'earn' a living!

in effect, every person here who's paying taxes is funding those ppl! i also realise that there are ppl genuinely in need but the way it is this is simply not scale-able so i'm all in for change..  >:D

now i realise that this is a public forum so i prob should have stayed shut..  :'(

I don't see the situation improving either. With the rise of the BRIC nations, you can't see us ever returning to the days of cheap energy, food etc

Nope......... Crap minimum wage has knock on effect upwards for employees not on bonuses & RPI/CPI indexes arguably not as relevant as some might suggest. 


RPI & CPI indexes arguably out of touch too.

[quote="mobilejo"]
Thats hilarious.

The original story is quite funny too, where it emerged that the guy that put the challenge to IDS actually gets over £400 a month in other benefits on top of his £53 per week from his market stall!

My road is 50/50 private owned/council/social housing tenants and the (unemployed) council tenants with the same number of kids as us (and more in some cases) do well. Granted they don't own X5's, but they are constantly out getting p*ssed, returning in taxis all the time and buy loads of takeaways and cigarettes. They certainly have their priorities in order  ). Its certainly a stereotype but on my road (and in my area in general) its actually a factual description of what I see. Thankfully we'll have moved soon but that's only because having gone self employed I can finally afford to do so. Had I stayed working 40 hrs a week in my so-called well paid employment we would have been living parallel lives with the people I describe above, despite them not having to work for it.

I'm not angry about the situation (the general benefits culture in this country) - I'm too laid back to be, but I understand why so many people are. 
[/quote]Well the gov have upped my pension by £17 a month buttttttt Council tax + Water rate increases of 6.50 leaves £10.50 month??? Glad I have not
told them about the 10
Poles I have had the House!!!!

Well , I work bloody hard and I am sick of giving handouts. I would introduce fines for having kids. We are overpopulated and paying people to have kids or getting a free house when you have a kid has to stop.

If you have hit upon hard times, & you ned help then you will be made to report to a given office and we  will find you a job. You work , you get paid your benefit. You don't turn up you dont get paid. Simple enough. If you think you will get paid for sitting at home and watching the Jeremy Kyle show, I got news for you.

Im sick of this broken Britain/workshy benefit culture.
When I was made redundant 2 years ago there was fk all help available to me, even though I've worked since I was 16. This country is becoming a joke, and the older I get the more right wing I seem to become.

Grrrrrr

I know what you mean by the right-wing drift with age.

I'm not sure that stopping people having kids is a viable long term solution bearing in mind we are already facing a hugely expanding older population. We are in a right pickle, though.

Re benefits. Can't help but feel we are approaching a tipping point where politicians will finally be able to do something about welfare which, until recently, was an untouchable sacred cow. For those in need, absolutely, I'll be the first defending their right to welfare. For those who take the mick...

We're getting there. It may take a while but the welfare state as we know it (and as has been exploited) is finished.


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Huck (iPhone mode!)

I've got 5 kids but pay my way and now the govt has decided that I earn too much to get any benefits out/back by way of child support, despite having paid tax for the last 30 years.  So I have effectively had my benefits cut and am reasonably pi55ed at this due to the copious amount of deductions and tax I pay every year anyway.

But if only I could *see* where my money goes: improved infrastructure, and public services etc. then I wouldn't have a problem...............<whistle>

On an aside, I'm just back from a couple of weeks golfing in Dubai (as you do)  There was an announcement on the radio one morning that Emiratis (ie. the indigenous population) working in Government services were getting a 70% wage rise, effective immediately; and those in other professions 40% effective immediately.  They outwardly look after their own and see anyone else as a visitor who is benefitting from living there anyway and can therefore look after themselves.

can't agree more with the need for change. although this is testing my patience! change is needed BEFORE teh country is ruined not after.

re. dubai that's a different problem. my sis lives and works there. the 'locals' don't work. they have too much money. they get expats to work.

the govt is trying various avenues to increase the local working population. they actively support the locals by increasing pay, stipulating laws that require X % of staff to be local etc.

Not a bad idea that though, is it?! 

Cut benefits for those Brits who cant be arsed to work but reward those who do with inflation beating wages.  Would put a few thousand people into work for a start - find an immigrant who has been unemployed or drawing benefits here for 2 years or more, without having contributed tax or NI, and help them depart the country by the nearest port of entry complete with one way ticket home.

Vote me.........

+1^

Tried and tested formula in Oz. it's because we are tied to the Eu with their crackpot rules.
We went into the common market ( EU ) for free trade. Not to keep all the world Gippo,s in beer and fags !!!!

Do the replies have any resemblance to a tory cabinet meeting I wonder .
Those bastards are ruthless . Many tory and lib  back benchers are disgusted by those actions as are most of the house of lords .
Don`t believe the crap about spongers , the numbers are small .
Most people on benefits are low paid workers .

A quote from a US article 

Since the start of the Great Recession in December 2007, the American economy has lost 8.7m jobs. While economic growth has resulted in the creation of more than five million new positions, that's still almost three million short of the number of jobs needed.

All those missing jobs didn't belong to numbers, however. They belonged to men and women. They are mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, aunts and uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers.

And they are almost all people whose lives will likely be forever impacted by their bout of unemployment.

"The long-term impacts are going to be severe," says Reid Cramer, director of the Asset Building Program at the New America Foundation. "I'm very concerned about people's ability to stabilize their household balance sheets and rebuild their wealth."

Unemployment, it turns out, is not a discrete event, a defined period of time with no other life impacts. Instead, it has a ripple effect, causing income and net worth loss decades in the future.

Think of it as a personal finance tragedy.


The complete article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/us-mone ... nsequences