freelander water pump fail+belt=serious advice needed

[storminmike]

The wife's freelander 1 with the 1.9 detuned BMW diesel engine has shed a belt. The AA said the water pump was siezed and that's what killed it

Annoyingly the garage I use has closed for the weekend so the AA towed it home. I thought they'd take me to the garage on Tuesday but they wont stating a change in policy last year.................PROBLEM 1

The wife said it went bing then stumbled to a halt with the lights on the dash coming on. I thought being a diesel it would just run but just overheat,,,maybe not

Now it's on the drive I thought lets see if it will turnover. It did....it ran lumpy and sluggish but it ran. I turned it off then tried to re-start it but the starter just clicks and the dash lights flicker...surely the battery would have held up a bit longer. It was only 1 mile after starting that the belt failed so it wasn't and isn't hot

So
AA wont re-tow me 4miles to garage, should I

use the BM to re-charge the battery, get it started, hobble 4 miles
tow it with the BM by rope (apparently you can for a few miles under 30 mph) but with no brakes or power steering it aint easy
get someone to move it....but how much will that cost

more to the point what will a pump and belt replace cost on this

...and all because the mrs said she wanted to sell it

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp

[storminmike]

bump...becasue I really would like some advice

[storminmike]

Well a quick look this morning and it seem the like the grooved aux belt is shredded. What appears to be the water pump (possibly) rotates so it might just be the belt died. Man it's tight in there.

Where can I buy a belt from and any ideas on changing it?

[X5Sport]

Can't help with parts fitting.

You can try restarting off your other car. Losing a water pump should not cause the engine to run rough, BUT what else is connected to that drive belt? Alternator?

You can buy solid emegency tow bars pretty cheap which will save you an overrun accident. I have seen them in Halfords for about £30. It will still be an unpleasant drive though.

Solid Emergency Tow bar

EDIT - see if it comes up on Halfrauds web site. They're probably open. They do stock drive belts, but you may have to go in and ask. The website is sometimes useless!

[storminmike]

[quote=""X5Sport""]Can't help with parts fitting.

You can try restarting off your other car. Losing a water pump should not cause the engine to run rough, BUT what else is connected to that drive belt? Alternator?

You can buy solid emegency tow bars pretty cheap which will save you an overrun accident. I have seen them in Halfords for about £30. It will still be an unpleasant drive though.

Solid Emergency Tow bar

EDIT - see if it comes up on Halfrauds web site. They're probably open. They do stock drive belts, but you may have to go in and ask. The website is sometimes useless![/quote]


It does run the alternator, there's an image of it here on this link http://www.lro.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=38352

On the landy zone webs it suggests I can get at it through the side but I need a 24mm spanner (which I don't think I have) to move the tensioner. Can't wrok out which one is the tensioner though.

Decisions decisions. That tow bar is cheap, cheaper than calling some one out. I guess the X5 has a screw in hook somewhere?

The belt is any where from 12 to 24 quid

[shadrack]

Could well be just the belt, why not buy a belt and a 24mm spanner(u will alsways have it) and a towbar, keep the recipt and see if you can fix it first, if it was just the belt you will have fixed it for less than the tow pole cost and if that's un used just take it back! You only risking £12-24 then as you will always have the spanner and it will cost more than that just to get someone to look at it !

[X5Sport]

Screw in towing eye should be under the boot floor. Right hand side I think.

[storminmike]

[quote=""shadrack""]Could well be just the belt, why not buy a belt and a 24mm spanner(u will alsways have it) and a towbar, keep the recipt and see if you can fix it first, if it was just the belt you will have fixed it for less than the tow pole cost and if that's un used just take it back! You only risking £12-24 then as you will always have the spanner and it will cost more than that just to get someone to look at it ![/quote]

Well

Side panel off under the wheel arch and there it is...the bottom of the engine and the remnants of the belt. Was a struggle to fish it out given the 20mm gap between the engine and the wing/chassis. All the pulleys span freely without jamming so the diagnosis seems to be a broken belt. Now pictures are fine and seeing how a new one would wrap around fine and dandy. I practice half the pulleys etc are out of view and the so called tensioner pulley certainly aint wholly in view. Looking up I can see it (just) and I can see the so called nut. What a stupid place to put it...no wonder the proper tool is like a ring spanner with a long reach.

Whilst there I spotted another shorter belt. Same type and that is easly changed as the idler for that is in plain view and it's obvious it will swivel once a locking bolt to the side of it is loosened

To cut a long story short....engine on a bench....piece of p!ss...cramed up against the chassis where the belt would have to be slipped in sideways first...OMG....then get the right spanner then guess by feel how it wraps around even more OMG. I don't think I can do it.

On the postive side I put jump leads across from the BM and after a few minutes it started and ran smoothly....even after I removed the leads. More of a dissapointment was when I tried to re-start it on its own just a little while later it wouldn't....not power from the battery...click click click

This sort of means I could start it after a jump, drive it and keep and eye out for the temp. Worry would be no power steering (manageable) and it cutting out due to battery power wilting. I'm thinking the battery is a bit passed it too

Why do they make things so feckin hard to get too

ps ....the tensioner is the small BLACK not silver wheel near the top of the engine...next to the pulley with 3 yellow nuts
http://www.lro.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=38352

[storminmike]

[quote=""X5Sport""]Screw in towing eye should be under the boot floor. Right hand side I think.[/quote]
Found it .....thanks....I think the hole to screw it in is behind the towbar shroud/blank on my facelift

[X5Sport]

It keeps competent amateurs away, makes money for the dealers and the special tool manufacturers! Oh and of course it really annoys the likes of us who know that we could do the job if only for the cr@p design.

Was it Audi or Merc who sealed the engine in allowing access only to check the oil, washer fluid and a couple of their things? Anything more complex needs major dissassembly (at the Dealer)!

[storminmike]

[quote=""X5Sport""]It keeps competent amateurs away, makes money for the dealers and the special tool manufacturers! Oh and of course it really annoys the likes of us who know that we could do the job if only for the cr@p design.

Was it Audi or Merc who sealed the engine in allowing access only to check the oil, washer fluid and a couple of their things? Anything more complex needs major dissassembly (at the Dealer)![/quote]

Maddening isn't it

even if I got the spanner there's no guarantee it would work. No chance with a socket as the gap to the wing is about 20mm so the spanner would have to drop into the idler pulley (the nut doesn't even stick out ffs). I guess the right kind would be like an s shaped dog leg ring spanner....then I've got to find out how it moves....

The chit chat here show you how bad it is

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f9/td4-au ... 002-2.html