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4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:08 am
by Ryoken
had a bit of a worry yesterday, coming home from the shops, noticed temp gauge almost in the red, dunno how long it had been creeping up there, got home. not I know it was a hot day but , really?.
lifted bonnet , cars running sweet as usual , fan spinning as normal ,

turned car off and left it ,
water level  ok. and oil level ok ( checked when cooled)
checked codes with scanner 1.41. came up with nothing , apart from I think check coolant level, but im certain that was an old code from when my WP went.
is there anything these engines are prone to doing when warm ,
or am I just worrying too much?

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:06 am
by shadrack
theres something up with it, is the auxillery fan (the electric one on front of rad) working? i had similar other year with my m3, stationary slow traffic guage right in red when driving it was fine, it turned out to be the aux fan

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:10 am
by X5Sport
+1 on the electric fan as being the likely cause. Does the temp drop when moving?

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:29 am
by Ryoken
im going out in it today ,shall have a look and report back when its hot

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:31 am
by Ryoken
just to update you guys,
fired beasty up ,  sat  there idled for 30 mins (while I was cleaning garden)
1/2 temp solid
went on motorway shortly after , got about a mile or 2 and the guage started creeping up , right up nearly to the red,  but not quite,  pulled car over opened bonnet, NO fan on front of radiator
put heating on , full and hot , temp came down , limped car home ,  turned heating off, outside house, guage increased,  still no fan

either fan or sensor ,
I read codes again this morning , says nothing about a temp sensor failing

can you test these fans ?

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:51 am
by shadrack
my fan had noting easily testable so just chanced it, yours is actually doing the opposite to mine though, what about water pump?

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:51 am
by X5Sport
If it's just an on/off 12v feed so if you put 12v on the +ve side (brown is negative on cars) it should fire up.  If it uses a 3-wire feed then it may use a PWM (non-DC waveform) control signal to run it.  PWM fans are much trickier to test as they need a waveform generator.

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:56 am
by shadrack
[quote="X5Sport"]
If it's just an on/off 12v feed so if you put 12v on the +ve side (brown is negative on cars) it should fire up.  If it uses a 3-wire feed then it may use a PWM (non-DC waveform) control signal to run it.  PWM fans are much trickier to test as they need a waveform generator.
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mine went through some sort of control module first and was no way of testing it, what i did was got it up towards red and jumped out popped bonnet and plugged new fan in just laid on top of front pannel, new fan fired straight up when old one had never worked, so then i fitted it and never saw the guage move off half

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:06 pm
by Ryoken
2 thick wires and a thin one , :(

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:11 pm
by shadrack
get it up to 3/4 not good to keep taking it to red and get out and look if the aux fan has kicked in

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:45 pm
by Ryoken
na , that's it , no more , running till I find out what the issue is ,

again , read codes, nothing in there ,
can you use another software to fire up the fan from the scanner??

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:05 pm
by X5Sport
No.  It either runs or it doesn't.  A square wave generator will be the only thing, or try one off another car.  Sounds like you need a new one unfortunately.  :o

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:19 pm
by Ryoken
that wasn't the answer I was hoping for :)
hell there expensive !

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:27 pm
by shadrack
i got a used one from ebay,

Re: 4.4 overheated

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:54 pm
by Ubatoid
The fan should self test on start up. It should spool upto half speed for a few seconds and then stop. They do throw a code if this doesn't happen. Get someone to start her up while you watch the fan, if it does a dance back and forward chances are the motor is dying. also it should switch in at 100 deg to help the viscous fan out. The stats fitted to these don't open till 105deg, there are a couple of options for fitting cooler stats which is a good idea on these beasts as the cooling system is on the edge of danger most of the time, a small issue like you have an wammo, overheat time.