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handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
hi all,
my handbrake went all crap last month all of a sudden really, so i thought i would pop of the rear wheels and manually adjust the handbrake shoes on the rear disc.. oh dear, i was in for a shock! the insides of the disc where the handbrake shoes bind was totally rusted out and the shoes themselves were in a bad state also.
something had to be done!
so, after trawling the internet, i found new pagid discs, pads and shoes from euro car parts for £120 all in.
armed with my shiny new parts, i set out replacing the rusty culprits.
i firstly pulled the leather gaiter out and off the handbrake lever. then slackened off the handbrake lever side of the cables right back with an extended 12mm socket after loosening the 10mm locknuts.
the car was wheel chocked and left in neutral with handbrake off.
after jacking the rear of the car one side at a time, with the road wheel removed, first job was to remove the brake callipers. these are held on by 2x 15mm bolts accessed from behind the disc.
with these removed the calliper can be pulled off the disc and cable tied to the metal brake pipe above to hold them out of the way for now without stressing the rubber brake hose.
next job was to remove the allen key bolt that holds the disc to the hub at the front. then lift the old disc off. look at the difference between old and new..
next job was to remove the 2 spring retainers that hold the brake shoes in place at top and bottom, this is done with a pair of pliers just push the spring in and give it a quarter turn and pull away.
then the 2 long springs at left and right need to be coaxed off, this was a fiddly job but a screwdriver wedged into the spring helps with leverage. the springs, shoes, adjuster nut and handbrake cable connector cam can then be removed..
now is a good time to give the innards of the hub splash guard a good clean, i just used compressed air to blow the crud away.
next is time for re assembly, taking note of the way everything came apart!!
fitting the long springs is the difficult bit but you will get there eventually.
here is a photo of how the shoe adjuster is turned without the disc fitted..
and with disc fitted..
once you have reassembled the shoes and the disc you will need to tighten the shoes by means of the adjuster as in the last photo.
note. to expand the adjuster on drivers side you need to drag the screwdriver blade accross the nut from back of car to front.
on the passenger side it is from front to back..
while doing this it is a good idea to frequently pull the handbrake lever on as hard as possible a few times to keep the shoes centralised in the disc hub.
keep tightening the adjuster until you can feel a drag on the disc as you try to rotate it. at this point the shoes are roughly adjusted correctly and can be backed of a touch by dragging the screwdriver the opposite way a half turn.
here are my old and new shoes..no wonder my handbrake suddenly died!! :blink:
now its time to change the pads, with the calliper hanging where it is this a 5 minute job.
using a g-clamp as illustrated, its possible to push the caliper piston all the way back to accommodate the new pads extra thickness to get them over the disc.
the cap of the brake master cylinder should be unscrewed to help let the brake fluid flow back into the reservoir, be careful that the returning fluid doesn't over fill the reservoir, remove any excess if this is the case.
calliper pistons squeezed all the way back, the old pads can now be popped out by levering with a screwdriver and pulling away. on drivers side calliper, the pad wear sensor will need to be pulled off first.
new pads pop straight in like for like after spreading a little copper slip on the backs to stop brake squeeling and bolt calliper back to hub! easy job! dont forget to pump the brakes with engine running to seat the pads correctly.
here is the most important tool for this job......
with the road wheel back on the hub, but with the car still in the air. its time to tighten back up the handbrake lever end with your extended socket, this is easy if you have a friend to turn the wheel by hand as you tighten the nut. if not you will have to do it by trail and error. i pulled the lever up to the 3rd notch to aid access to the adjuster nut and kept tightening it until the wheel could no longer be turned by hand, at this point release the handbrake to ensure the wheel is free again. when you reach this point i think its fair to say the handbrake is done!
now for the other side in a repeat process. ::)
when all is done and the shoes have bedded in a week or two, i will probably re adjust the handbrake cable or even the shoe adjusters to get the handbrake nice and tight.
i hope this guide of of some help!! let me know if you need any further advice.
cheers folks.
my handbrake went all crap last month all of a sudden really, so i thought i would pop of the rear wheels and manually adjust the handbrake shoes on the rear disc.. oh dear, i was in for a shock! the insides of the disc where the handbrake shoes bind was totally rusted out and the shoes themselves were in a bad state also.
something had to be done!
so, after trawling the internet, i found new pagid discs, pads and shoes from euro car parts for £120 all in.
armed with my shiny new parts, i set out replacing the rusty culprits.
i firstly pulled the leather gaiter out and off the handbrake lever. then slackened off the handbrake lever side of the cables right back with an extended 12mm socket after loosening the 10mm locknuts.
the car was wheel chocked and left in neutral with handbrake off.
after jacking the rear of the car one side at a time, with the road wheel removed, first job was to remove the brake callipers. these are held on by 2x 15mm bolts accessed from behind the disc.
with these removed the calliper can be pulled off the disc and cable tied to the metal brake pipe above to hold them out of the way for now without stressing the rubber brake hose.
next job was to remove the allen key bolt that holds the disc to the hub at the front. then lift the old disc off. look at the difference between old and new..
next job was to remove the 2 spring retainers that hold the brake shoes in place at top and bottom, this is done with a pair of pliers just push the spring in and give it a quarter turn and pull away.
then the 2 long springs at left and right need to be coaxed off, this was a fiddly job but a screwdriver wedged into the spring helps with leverage. the springs, shoes, adjuster nut and handbrake cable connector cam can then be removed..
now is a good time to give the innards of the hub splash guard a good clean, i just used compressed air to blow the crud away.
next is time for re assembly, taking note of the way everything came apart!!
fitting the long springs is the difficult bit but you will get there eventually.
here is a photo of how the shoe adjuster is turned without the disc fitted..
and with disc fitted..
once you have reassembled the shoes and the disc you will need to tighten the shoes by means of the adjuster as in the last photo.
note. to expand the adjuster on drivers side you need to drag the screwdriver blade accross the nut from back of car to front.
on the passenger side it is from front to back..
while doing this it is a good idea to frequently pull the handbrake lever on as hard as possible a few times to keep the shoes centralised in the disc hub.
keep tightening the adjuster until you can feel a drag on the disc as you try to rotate it. at this point the shoes are roughly adjusted correctly and can be backed of a touch by dragging the screwdriver the opposite way a half turn.
here are my old and new shoes..no wonder my handbrake suddenly died!! :blink:
now its time to change the pads, with the calliper hanging where it is this a 5 minute job.
using a g-clamp as illustrated, its possible to push the caliper piston all the way back to accommodate the new pads extra thickness to get them over the disc.
the cap of the brake master cylinder should be unscrewed to help let the brake fluid flow back into the reservoir, be careful that the returning fluid doesn't over fill the reservoir, remove any excess if this is the case.
calliper pistons squeezed all the way back, the old pads can now be popped out by levering with a screwdriver and pulling away. on drivers side calliper, the pad wear sensor will need to be pulled off first.
new pads pop straight in like for like after spreading a little copper slip on the backs to stop brake squeeling and bolt calliper back to hub! easy job! dont forget to pump the brakes with engine running to seat the pads correctly.
here is the most important tool for this job......
with the road wheel back on the hub, but with the car still in the air. its time to tighten back up the handbrake lever end with your extended socket, this is easy if you have a friend to turn the wheel by hand as you tighten the nut. if not you will have to do it by trail and error. i pulled the lever up to the 3rd notch to aid access to the adjuster nut and kept tightening it until the wheel could no longer be turned by hand, at this point release the handbrake to ensure the wheel is free again. when you reach this point i think its fair to say the handbrake is done!
now for the other side in a repeat process. ::)
when all is done and the shoes have bedded in a week or two, i will probably re adjust the handbrake cable or even the shoe adjusters to get the handbrake nice and tight.
i hope this guide of of some help!! let me know if you need any further advice.
cheers folks.
Last edited by fenj66 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
Nice write up......and those handbrake shoes were indeed in a shocking state!
Well done for sorting and a big.. :no1: :bravo: for doing this for everyone.
Richard
Well done for sorting and a big.. :no1: :bravo: for doing this for everyone.
Richard
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
good job!
i'll need to do this at some point - although got away with mot this time as well!
tempted to try it on my own after seeing this!
i'll need to do this at some point - although got away with mot this time as well!
tempted to try it on my own after seeing this!
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Excellent write-up.
Everytime I do jobs like this I have intentions of taking pics, etc but I'm always so short of time so have to just crack on with the job.
Everytime I do jobs like this I have intentions of taking pics, etc but I'm always so short of time so have to just crack on with the job.
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Marvelous write up.
I shall be using this sometime before next March as I got an advisory on handbrake last MOT so no doubt my shoes resemble yours.
I shall be using this sometime before next March as I got an advisory on handbrake last MOT so no doubt my shoes resemble yours.
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NIce work, mine scheduled in the next few weeks. Hope you used OEM tea bags :blink:
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
Great write up and pics thanks.
Mine was done last year as part of an mot fail so always good to see what's involved.
My indy thought the hand brake hadn't seen much use from the previous owners, I always use it O:-)
He even suggested using it (very occasionally) while moving, to keep it clean!
Mine was done last year as part of an mot fail so always good to see what's involved.
My indy thought the hand brake hadn't seen much use from the previous owners, I always use it O:-)
He even suggested using it (very occasionally) while moving, to keep it clean!
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[quote="Waka"]
My indy thought the hand brake hadn't seen much use from the previous owners, I always use it O:-)
He even suggested using it (very occasionally) while moving, to keep it clean!
[/quote]
yes, after seeing the poor state my handbrake drum got into i am now going to pull handbrake on whilst coasting to a stop at least once a week to hopefully keep the rust at bay.
My indy thought the hand brake hadn't seen much use from the previous owners, I always use it O:-)
He even suggested using it (very occasionally) while moving, to keep it clean!
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yes, after seeing the poor state my handbrake drum got into i am now going to pull handbrake on whilst coasting to a stop at least once a week to hopefully keep the rust at bay.
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
Thanks for the how to. I did mine today, as my MOT is due this week. I forgot it was due, and only when I read this post, reminded me that mine hasn't been working for a long time. I fitted all new parts from ECP as well.
I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
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[quote="Horizon"]
I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
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I always find that you need a good few days of use to get everything settled and bedded in on this type of handbrake, even then they never feel REALLY good. Hope everything works out ok for you.
I am wondering if I need to look at mine before the MOT next month but then again I may give it a chance as it will hold the car on an incline (as long as you aren't to delicate with applying it ).
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I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
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I always find that you need a good few days of use to get everything settled and bedded in on this type of handbrake, even then they never feel REALLY good. Hope everything works out ok for you.
I am wondering if I need to look at mine before the MOT next month but then again I may give it a chance as it will hold the car on an incline (as long as you aren't to delicate with applying it ).
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
[quote="Horizon"]
Thanks for the how to. I did mine today, as my MOT is due this week. I forgot it was due, and only when I read this post, reminded me that mine hasn't been working for a long time. I fitted all new parts from ECP as well.
I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
[/quote]
i did go back to mine a week or so later as it wasn't great. it definitely does need to bed itself in.
i slackened off the handbrake lever ends then tightened up the drum adjusters which moved quite a bit! then re done up the lever ends. its now as good as its ever been.
Thanks for the how to. I did mine today, as my MOT is due this week. I forgot it was due, and only when I read this post, reminded me that mine hasn't been working for a long time. I fitted all new parts from ECP as well.
I'm not happy with the results as it still isn't as good as I would have expected, tomorrow will tell as its in for MOT.
[/quote]
i did go back to mine a week or so later as it wasn't great. it definitely does need to bed itself in.
i slackened off the handbrake lever ends then tightened up the drum adjusters which moved quite a bit! then re done up the lever ends. its now as good as its ever been.
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Mine must have been ok, as it flew through the MOT this afternoon. No advisories either.
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Re: handbrake shoes rear pads and disc replacement
nice write up, yeh they looked f...past it, most end up like that through lack of use, just fitted them pagid discs to the rrs, but i got rears on offer £60 discs and pads supposedly these discs dont rust when left un driven according to all the blurb in ecp, so anyway have yet to see!
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My handbrake just scraped through the MOT but had an advisory, also one leaking rear shock, so it looks like I may have to get the old jack out and have a butchers.
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Just had mine done at H & C in Maidstone last week and were they bad.
I originally booked the car in for the handbrake to be adjusted. I then decided to pop into ECP and buy new shoes for them to fit. Once they got the rear brakes stripped down the discs were rustier than fenj's pictures. They were so corroded that even the backplate had to have a spot of weld to close up the hole where the shoe holders go through. They happened to have a set of pads and discs for another customer so put those on to get me on my way.
Excellent service from H & C. First time I've used them and very good. Also the car was in there for a good 3 hours and the labour charge was only £90 so very reasonable. They also gave the car a check over for other MOT items and gave it a clean bill of health. It goes in next Thursday for MOT and oil and filter change at National tyres; total cost £105. I can't do an oil change myself for that money.
I originally booked the car in for the handbrake to be adjusted. I then decided to pop into ECP and buy new shoes for them to fit. Once they got the rear brakes stripped down the discs were rustier than fenj's pictures. They were so corroded that even the backplate had to have a spot of weld to close up the hole where the shoe holders go through. They happened to have a set of pads and discs for another customer so put those on to get me on my way.
Excellent service from H & C. First time I've used them and very good. Also the car was in there for a good 3 hours and the labour charge was only £90 so very reasonable. They also gave the car a check over for other MOT items and gave it a clean bill of health. It goes in next Thursday for MOT and oil and filter change at National tyres; total cost £105. I can't do an oil change myself for that money.
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