supa guard paint treatment

nickb · Post by **nickb** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:39 pm

hi all i am about to collect my new X5 and the garage have asked if i would like it supagaurded at a cost of £400. can i ask if anyone has had this done and is there any real advantage over a good coat of wax?

X5Sport · Post by **X5Sport** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:53 pm

We had our first E46 treated with this and considering it needs 'refreshing' every few weeks I thought it was a con. If I remember correctly I had to redo it every six weeks or so. Hopefully a few of the 'Detailers' on the Forum will be along to offer advice on better solutions.

Both the X6 and Mini have been done with BMWs own sealant system as part of the sale deal, which I was told was the Autoglym paint sealant system, and it's a once only treatment with no 'refresh' required. You should not apply a 'polish' afterwards but you will still need to use a good quality wax every few weeks. My own choice of wax at present is Autoglym's HD wax (a semi-hard wax). It's one of the more 'sensibly' priced options.

Pvr has some whizzy sealant system on his X5 but you'll need a road trip to Holland to get it done. What he has needs nothing doing to it at all.

Richard

nickb · Post by **nickb** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:02 pm

thanks richard thats saved me £400. always happy to look at these things if there is a realy benefit but still having to wax it every few weeks is no less than i would normal
nick

AW8 · Post by **AW8** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:00 pm

I have allegedly been told that certain paint protection products are seen as a bit of a joke in the trade and an easy way to make money.........Look on ebay for kits and you will see the alleged mark up the dealers allegedly have on this stuff.

All of course alleged and not confirmed

I would go without or get treatment that pvr swears by.

535dboy · Post by **535dboy** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:19 pm

It is a massive con!

The Porsche was actually presented pretty well on delivery so I'm going to wait and get it professionally detailed with the RS4 when that comes

My guy uses swissvax which is much better than any product provided by the dealer and of course put on by a professional not a monkey !

sramsay · Post by **sramsay** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:23 pm

I think I paid something like that in 2007 when I bought a new Touareg. Can't say I was impressed but I did end up with a nice case of cleaning products - which sat in my garage for 2 years before one of the thieving bar stewards that was doing my loft conversion nicked it!

Never again!

X5Sport · Post by **X5Sport** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:27 pm

I might just add that we paid nothing for the Dealer offered treatment (applied in their BMW Approved Body Shop rather than by the car wash n scratch crew!) on either the Mini or X6. After the Supagard con, I would only ever accept offers for such a system as long as it's free...

)

We didn't get anything on the second E46, and its paint is still OK after 7 years.

535dboy · Post by **535dboy** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:28 pm

[quote="X5Sport"]
I might just add that we paid nothing for the Dealer offered treatment on either the Mini or X6. After the Supagard con, I would only ever accept offers for such a system as long as it's free...

)

We didn't get anything on the second E46, and its paint is still OK after 7 years.
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I wouldn't have even let them do it!

Lee4.8is · Post by **Lee4.8is** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:37 pm

I had my X5 supa guard treated by the dealer when i bought it & i got a nice case of cleaning products which i never used, i agree with others, its a total con & you can spend the money elsewhere.

Raj · Post by **Raj** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:51 pm

You were wise to listen to Richard and not bother (did I really just type that....

).

Tbh, best thing to do is get a final polish stage done (quite light and not very abrasive) to really get it to totally swirly free and a proper deep shine. Then use something like Carlack 68 to properly seal the finish and then put your preferred wax on it. Use a 2 bucket method and keep waxing every month or so. Jobs a good un and it will properly last.

nickb · Post by **nickb** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:58 pm

raj whats a final stage polish? and were would you get this from?

X5Sport · Post by **X5Sport** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:33 pm

[quote="Raj"]
You were wise to listen to Richard and not bother (did I really just type that....

).
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You need some of my pills mate....... :blink:

A potential source for all things to do with detailing is Ultimate Finish. Just keep your wallet firmly locked away as some of the stuff on there is seriously expensive.

In theory you can eat some of the Carnauba Wax products from companies like Swissvax.....though I don't think I would recommend it :doctor:

Raj · Post by **Raj** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:51 pm

[quote="nickb"]
raj whats a final stage polish? and were would you get this from?
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Something like this: Menzerna's @ cleanyourcar

I use Menzerna's as I find it really works a treat. Always gives it a real shine and depth. And Tim at cleanyourcar is really helpful.

Frontman · Post by **Frontman** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:48 pm

Hi I used to make the different treatments, we made them under licence in the UK for most of the auto trade.
Dealers will try to get your cash off you for what is around £20s worth of product and a couple of hours work, and BMW were the only manufacturers at the time to refuse to acknowledge any benefit saying that after spending huge amounts on paint technology why do they need anything else.
Usually a new car (that has not been stood in a field for 18 months) will only need a clean and polish. If a car has been stood or has dull paintwork this is due to oxidisation and you use a paint detox product you can usually see a change in the colour as you use it.
For most modern cars you are only dealing with lacquer and not the paint so all you are trying to achieve is the smoothest finish posable, this also goes for alloy wheels (remember your wheels may be alloy but they are painted and lacquered just like the car so don't spend a fortune on alloy wheel cleaner.

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