5000 miles per year:
in a 4.4 V8 averaging 17.8 mpg (i get about that too, and only 15-16 when 'really' gunning around) = 280 gallons of petrol.
in a 3.0d averaging 29mpg (split between the 30 and 28 quoted above) = 172 gallons of diesel.
Yearly cost:
V8 fuel cost based on 135p / litre = £1890 per year
3.0d fuel cost based on 139p / litre = £1195 per year
3.0d would save you £695 per year in fuel. So based on 3 year ownership in fuel alone (3x£695) if you can find a 4.4V8 for £2085 less than the diesel then the fuel is not an issue, you're just paying up front for it!
What you have to remember is to budget for your fuel, not the initial outlay. If you have £11k to spend on a car now but then you wont have £160 per month to fuel the V8 (but can afford the £120 a month for the diesel!) then you should put the savings away for the petrol if you buy one.
V8 is a V8 afterall........... even though the 3.0d is a very capable motor it's no V8. So it really comes down to personal preference, as overall costs will be about the same on that mileage. (also get an insurance quote, for me the difference is only about £50 per year so it makes no difference).
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Fuel Cost Calculations??
[quote=""X5Sport""]
Not sure where the idea of petrol models having lower servicing costs came from though. My 3.0D has a service every 20k miles or so under the condition based servicing, and only has oil and filters at that point. I have to have the brake fluid done every two years under the time based servicing system, but then so do all the versions.[/quote]
I think it's the maintenance more than servicing, which if you are buying 100k diesel could mean turbo and injectors soon. Although equally may not, but it's just another concern along with gearbox on these cars.
Not sure where the idea of petrol models having lower servicing costs came from though. My 3.0D has a service every 20k miles or so under the condition based servicing, and only has oil and filters at that point. I have to have the brake fluid done every two years under the time based servicing system, but then so do all the versions.[/quote]
I think it's the maintenance more than servicing, which if you are buying 100k diesel could mean turbo and injectors soon. Although equally may not, but it's just another concern along with gearbox on these cars.
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The government have increased the price of LPG similarly to petrol and diesel. When i had my ML55 converted last year i was paying approx 48.9,the same time this year i,m paying 74.9 avg. But your still a long way in front in comparison. I would estimate that the 4.8 is doing an equivalent of 27-28mpg knocking around and i think i could probably see around 35mpg on a long run providing i was reasonably nice to it,which isn't easy !!!
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I agree, whilst the calculations provided may be of use they become less relevant when looking at maintenance costs of a mature E53 X5.
Cost of turbo & injector issues can hurt the pocket of a 3.0d owner & it is widely accepted on here by many that if the breather hasn't been changed recently that it's a sensible thing to sort or budget to sort on all but the lowest mileage cars.
The auto gearboxes can offer some concerns on E53 X5's, whether the ZF units on the V8's or facelift 3.0d or the GM unit on the 3.0i & prefacelift 3.0d.of all the boxes the facelift 6 speed ZF unit seems to offer slightly less worry though still known to fail & can be prone to "the lurch" this being a characteristic where the car can jolt due to untimely changes.
A decent 3.0i with manual box will probably be less of a worry to own as this removes auto box concerns. being a 3.0i there aren't any turbo or injector concerns as with the 3.0d. The V8 rocker gasket issues aren't an issue with the 3.0i either. Manual 3.0i should also yield better mpg than the auto 3.0i & thus widens the narrower gap which exists between 3.0i auto & 4.4i auto. Obviously if LPG were fitted too then additional fuel costs would be made.
3.0i manual cars are out there but quite rare. Thus with a lack of choice you may be forced to compromise whether on history ,purchase condition or spec. All but the history can be addressed albeit at a cost. Obviously the better the purchase price then the more you may have to play with to sort condition & spec. Because the 3.0i manual wasn't the dearest X5 to buy new, there are some with an absence of niceties. There aren't many cloth trimmed cars left as many later owners have upgraded using hide from salvage cars, however, cloth trimmed cars do still exist. I would always look to negotiate cost to upgrade interior by sourcing a salvaged leather trim. Just as some 3.0i cars are absent of cloth some are also absent of comm's pack. In all honesty it's not the end of the world but if buying without should be honest you can live without it. The reason being the cost to retro equip a car with same is significant & quite likely to mean cost of base car plus the kit will exceed used resale value when sorted.
Applying the same maintenance cost logic a 4.4i thats been cared for can make sense as can say a 3.0d auto with decent replacement box &/or new turbo in last 25k miles. Similarly a manual 3.0d can make sense & more so if it has had a new turbo & maybe injectors &/or breather changed.
Of course the common fear components like turbos auto boxes are far from the whole ownership cost picture. Any car needing CV boots, rear bushes & brakes in next 12 months for example will leave your pockets hurting.
On a more positive note there are quite a few owners who have bailed or are looking to bail after spending out on expensive maintenance,(perhaps having bought a car with non disclosed work pending from someone else who bailed rather than sorting issues).
Essentially as with many used cars buying & ownership of a used E53 can be a bit of a gamble. The risks of reasonably expected costs can be reduced if you buy a car that has had major work done such as a new auto box, new turbo, brakes, rear bushes etc, however you shouldn't underestimate the possible costs in ownership.
More than ever before it can be very beneficial to ask the right questions from the seller. In terms of getting the right answers the wise buyer would do well to buy from a seller who can answer these questions. Sadly many used examples offered by some independent traders wont have enough historic info. Sure a car may have a stamped service book but for peace of mind a nice collection of invoices will paint a far more accurate picture of what has or hasn't been done especially for cars where expensive jobs have been tackled by an indy & thus details cant be ascertained by calling bmw uk & then dealers on back of info re dealer visit dates.
Apologies for going off on a tangent I appreciate the thread was about MPG & fuel costs but mobilejo makes a valid point in that maintenance costs can often make the fuel cost differences very less relevant. Without doubt an AUC warrantied car will offer most peace of mind for future costs but you will pay for it in the 1st instance unless very lucky in getting the right deal at the right time on the right car from the right dealer.
Going back MPG I would expect to get near official figures from a prefacelift 4.4i if in fine fettle. Expect 20 mpg or a little more combined if used sensibly or 14-16 if used in town. You should also consider that the MPG figures really suffer if car used for short trips. My mpg much better when car is warmed up. High 20's are attainable on a run if prepared to set cruise to 60mph on the motorway, (rather than being on & off the gas in lane 3 with idiots making your journey less relaxing).
Appropriate remaps can help a little too as can making sure all else is exactly as it should be under the bonnet. Indy I spoke to reckons he gets another 2mpg since changing his water pump.
Cost of turbo & injector issues can hurt the pocket of a 3.0d owner & it is widely accepted on here by many that if the breather hasn't been changed recently that it's a sensible thing to sort or budget to sort on all but the lowest mileage cars.
The auto gearboxes can offer some concerns on E53 X5's, whether the ZF units on the V8's or facelift 3.0d or the GM unit on the 3.0i & prefacelift 3.0d.of all the boxes the facelift 6 speed ZF unit seems to offer slightly less worry though still known to fail & can be prone to "the lurch" this being a characteristic where the car can jolt due to untimely changes.
A decent 3.0i with manual box will probably be less of a worry to own as this removes auto box concerns. being a 3.0i there aren't any turbo or injector concerns as with the 3.0d. The V8 rocker gasket issues aren't an issue with the 3.0i either. Manual 3.0i should also yield better mpg than the auto 3.0i & thus widens the narrower gap which exists between 3.0i auto & 4.4i auto. Obviously if LPG were fitted too then additional fuel costs would be made.
3.0i manual cars are out there but quite rare. Thus with a lack of choice you may be forced to compromise whether on history ,purchase condition or spec. All but the history can be addressed albeit at a cost. Obviously the better the purchase price then the more you may have to play with to sort condition & spec. Because the 3.0i manual wasn't the dearest X5 to buy new, there are some with an absence of niceties. There aren't many cloth trimmed cars left as many later owners have upgraded using hide from salvage cars, however, cloth trimmed cars do still exist. I would always look to negotiate cost to upgrade interior by sourcing a salvaged leather trim. Just as some 3.0i cars are absent of cloth some are also absent of comm's pack. In all honesty it's not the end of the world but if buying without should be honest you can live without it. The reason being the cost to retro equip a car with same is significant & quite likely to mean cost of base car plus the kit will exceed used resale value when sorted.
Applying the same maintenance cost logic a 4.4i thats been cared for can make sense as can say a 3.0d auto with decent replacement box &/or new turbo in last 25k miles. Similarly a manual 3.0d can make sense & more so if it has had a new turbo & maybe injectors &/or breather changed.
Of course the common fear components like turbos auto boxes are far from the whole ownership cost picture. Any car needing CV boots, rear bushes & brakes in next 12 months for example will leave your pockets hurting.
On a more positive note there are quite a few owners who have bailed or are looking to bail after spending out on expensive maintenance,(perhaps having bought a car with non disclosed work pending from someone else who bailed rather than sorting issues).
Essentially as with many used cars buying & ownership of a used E53 can be a bit of a gamble. The risks of reasonably expected costs can be reduced if you buy a car that has had major work done such as a new auto box, new turbo, brakes, rear bushes etc, however you shouldn't underestimate the possible costs in ownership.
More than ever before it can be very beneficial to ask the right questions from the seller. In terms of getting the right answers the wise buyer would do well to buy from a seller who can answer these questions. Sadly many used examples offered by some independent traders wont have enough historic info. Sure a car may have a stamped service book but for peace of mind a nice collection of invoices will paint a far more accurate picture of what has or hasn't been done especially for cars where expensive jobs have been tackled by an indy & thus details cant be ascertained by calling bmw uk & then dealers on back of info re dealer visit dates.
Apologies for going off on a tangent I appreciate the thread was about MPG & fuel costs but mobilejo makes a valid point in that maintenance costs can often make the fuel cost differences very less relevant. Without doubt an AUC warrantied car will offer most peace of mind for future costs but you will pay for it in the 1st instance unless very lucky in getting the right deal at the right time on the right car from the right dealer.
Going back MPG I would expect to get near official figures from a prefacelift 4.4i if in fine fettle. Expect 20 mpg or a little more combined if used sensibly or 14-16 if used in town. You should also consider that the MPG figures really suffer if car used for short trips. My mpg much better when car is warmed up. High 20's are attainable on a run if prepared to set cruise to 60mph on the motorway, (rather than being on & off the gas in lane 3 with idiots making your journey less relaxing).
Appropriate remaps can help a little too as can making sure all else is exactly as it should be under the bonnet. Indy I spoke to reckons he gets another 2mpg since changing his water pump.
Gone - 2002 E53 X5 4.4i Sport (Pre Facelift) Owned 2006-2016.
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Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
Very good points there AW8.
Neil, it is a shame you are not in the West Midlands, I am actually surrounded by LPG resellers (not petrol stations but just LPG). Cheapest is 62p and its around 2 miles away. But there are numerous ones in every direction where I live.
[quote=""Neil48is""]The government have increased the price of LPG similarly to petrol and diesel. When i had my ML55 converted last year i was paying approx 48.9,the same time this year i,m paying 74.9 avg. But your still a long way in front in comparison. I would estimate that the 4.8 is doing an equivalent of 27-28mpg knocking around and i think i could probably see around 35mpg on a long run providing i was reasonably nice to it,which isn't easy !!![/quote]
Neil, it is a shame you are not in the West Midlands, I am actually surrounded by LPG resellers (not petrol stations but just LPG). Cheapest is 62p and its around 2 miles away. But there are numerous ones in every direction where I live.
[quote=""Neil48is""]The government have increased the price of LPG similarly to petrol and diesel. When i had my ML55 converted last year i was paying approx 48.9,the same time this year i,m paying 74.9 avg. But your still a long way in front in comparison. I would estimate that the 4.8 is doing an equivalent of 27-28mpg knocking around and i think i could probably see around 35mpg on a long run providing i was reasonably nice to it,which isn't easy !!![/quote]
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Thanks for all the info guys, looking around there are an abundance of reasonable mileage V8's bit when you turn the search filter to diesel with the same budget the mileage goes well over 100k which gives me concerns of turbos/injectors gearboxes etc.
What is the heartaches issue mentioned above and does it affect facelift models? Would like some more info on this if poss and also mentioned were CV boots and bushes - when viewing is there anyway to check these items?
Am swaying toward the V8 but don't want to make a mistake and in a few months have to sell it because I can't afford to fuel it. I think the key will be limiting it's use to family days out etc. I cycle to work 4 days out of 6 so it will sit on the driveway then.
Thanks for all the info so far, if there is anyone who solely runs a V8 on short town type journeys I would be interested to hear your experiences on mpg, miles from a full tank etc.
Cheers
Si
What is the heartaches issue mentioned above and does it affect facelift models? Would like some more info on this if poss and also mentioned were CV boots and bushes - when viewing is there anyway to check these items?
Am swaying toward the V8 but don't want to make a mistake and in a few months have to sell it because I can't afford to fuel it. I think the key will be limiting it's use to family days out etc. I cycle to work 4 days out of 6 so it will sit on the driveway then.
Thanks for all the info so far, if there is anyone who solely runs a V8 on short town type journeys I would be interested to hear your experiences on mpg, miles from a full tank etc.
Cheers
Si
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If you look at the buyers guide (sticky thread at top of E53 general discussion), I have written there is an abundance of info.......Some 1st written shortly after I bought in 2006 & plenty added or edited thereafter. Read it & if you have already done so then please read it again so yo are familiar with issues to check & ask about.
Re bushes : I think I have prior mentioned how to check for rear bush failure either in the guide or elsewhere. If the bushes have failed the car will make a distinct knocking thud noise when you kickdown when car moving. Another way to check but not for faint hearted or those unfamiliar with the car is to give car full beans & come of the gas with light grip on steering wheel, car may sway & swerve &/or bushes may make noise if these are shot......I don't advise checking them like this on a public road as if it goes wrong you could leave the road! If badly worn you will also hear noise as car moves over bumps & when accelerating braking heavily. It really is the case of when these bushes will fail rather than if. I have heard of failures from 60k though mine failed & were changed around 90k miles. Not a cheap job & you should allow for at least £500 to get these done properly if not doing them yourself. If no evidence these have been done you should expect them to fail soon if car has done 70k or over. It is near impossible to properly inspect these items on someones driveway. The bushes are massive & sit wrapped in metal on rear & underside of the car.
Re CV Boots : Easy to check assuming of course you know what they look like & where they are. If split they leak grease everywhere. If grease has all emptied ( i.e. owner has neglected to change failed boots asap), the actual joints are likely to be shot - they will click when you apply full lock & car moving. Sorry to say it again but once again it's a case of when rather than if these will fail. 80k upwards I am afraid to say. There are 8 on the car but the only ones you should worry about are the front outer items. Behind front wheels, black rubber concertina like in appearance. Reckon on £400 for both sides..........false economy to change just one.
Boots & bushes likely to fail later on motorway use cars but earlier on cars of same mileage say used in town, driven harder or used on rough roads. In reality there is no way of knowing entire driving history of used car.
As for MPG I have told you the figures. Don't expect better than 14-16 around town & maybe 13. Anyone telling you otherwise for prefacelift in town is IMO being optimistic or perhaps telling porkies.
I am very aware I have argued the case for buying a cheaper V8 over a dearer 3.0d in past. I stand by my prior comments but would add that I have owned my V8 for over 5 years & approx 45k miles. I am guessing that I have kept the car past the break even fuel saving point I would be at if I owned a 3.0d.
Whether you buy 4.4i or 3.0d you have to accept that buying & running a used E53 isn't going to be cheap.
Used cars are all to some extent a financial risk & the E53 is up there with the best if neglected or tired. My advice would be to buy the car with most evidence of maintenance. Unfortunately many are motivated by low initial cost or lower indicated mileage. Take mine for example; it's a V8 & has done 102k, (historied), miles. Some would run away & buy the 75k or 80k mileage car. But if folk stop & think they would see that with mine they wouldnt have to worry re rear bushes, CV boots, water pump, termostat rocker gaskets, header tank, PCV hoses etc. If you look on xoutpost.com in USA you will see many others who have replaced same parts I have. Any V8 X5 of my mileage that hasn't had these things done will near certainly need these things done by you if you plan to keep it for any significant time & mileage....... Of course some folk run scared when faced with bills & bail out. This is where you need to be careful as some faced with significant future repair bills sell cars with problems to rather than paying to care & for their car. I know my car & would genuinely rather by mine with stacks of history & some invoices rather than buy a slightly lower mileage car with tlc likely needed around the corner.
You seem very concerned re the fuel costs. If this will constantly concern then buy an LPG car or the best diesel you can. Personally I would chose a well maintained car with costly bits sorted rather than one you will be more likely to spend on. I wouldn't dismiss the X3 (depending on your specific likes & needs).
Despite a few bills along the way I am very loyal to my E53 but am very aware that there are other makes & models out there that may give more piece of mind in terms of likely maintenance bills & running costs.
Re bushes : I think I have prior mentioned how to check for rear bush failure either in the guide or elsewhere. If the bushes have failed the car will make a distinct knocking thud noise when you kickdown when car moving. Another way to check but not for faint hearted or those unfamiliar with the car is to give car full beans & come of the gas with light grip on steering wheel, car may sway & swerve &/or bushes may make noise if these are shot......I don't advise checking them like this on a public road as if it goes wrong you could leave the road! If badly worn you will also hear noise as car moves over bumps & when accelerating braking heavily. It really is the case of when these bushes will fail rather than if. I have heard of failures from 60k though mine failed & were changed around 90k miles. Not a cheap job & you should allow for at least £500 to get these done properly if not doing them yourself. If no evidence these have been done you should expect them to fail soon if car has done 70k or over. It is near impossible to properly inspect these items on someones driveway. The bushes are massive & sit wrapped in metal on rear & underside of the car.
Re CV Boots : Easy to check assuming of course you know what they look like & where they are. If split they leak grease everywhere. If grease has all emptied ( i.e. owner has neglected to change failed boots asap), the actual joints are likely to be shot - they will click when you apply full lock & car moving. Sorry to say it again but once again it's a case of when rather than if these will fail. 80k upwards I am afraid to say. There are 8 on the car but the only ones you should worry about are the front outer items. Behind front wheels, black rubber concertina like in appearance. Reckon on £400 for both sides..........false economy to change just one.
Boots & bushes likely to fail later on motorway use cars but earlier on cars of same mileage say used in town, driven harder or used on rough roads. In reality there is no way of knowing entire driving history of used car.
As for MPG I have told you the figures. Don't expect better than 14-16 around town & maybe 13. Anyone telling you otherwise for prefacelift in town is IMO being optimistic or perhaps telling porkies.
I am very aware I have argued the case for buying a cheaper V8 over a dearer 3.0d in past. I stand by my prior comments but would add that I have owned my V8 for over 5 years & approx 45k miles. I am guessing that I have kept the car past the break even fuel saving point I would be at if I owned a 3.0d.
Whether you buy 4.4i or 3.0d you have to accept that buying & running a used E53 isn't going to be cheap.
Used cars are all to some extent a financial risk & the E53 is up there with the best if neglected or tired. My advice would be to buy the car with most evidence of maintenance. Unfortunately many are motivated by low initial cost or lower indicated mileage. Take mine for example; it's a V8 & has done 102k, (historied), miles. Some would run away & buy the 75k or 80k mileage car. But if folk stop & think they would see that with mine they wouldnt have to worry re rear bushes, CV boots, water pump, termostat rocker gaskets, header tank, PCV hoses etc. If you look on xoutpost.com in USA you will see many others who have replaced same parts I have. Any V8 X5 of my mileage that hasn't had these things done will near certainly need these things done by you if you plan to keep it for any significant time & mileage....... Of course some folk run scared when faced with bills & bail out. This is where you need to be careful as some faced with significant future repair bills sell cars with problems to rather than paying to care & for their car. I know my car & would genuinely rather by mine with stacks of history & some invoices rather than buy a slightly lower mileage car with tlc likely needed around the corner.
You seem very concerned re the fuel costs. If this will constantly concern then buy an LPG car or the best diesel you can. Personally I would chose a well maintained car with costly bits sorted rather than one you will be more likely to spend on. I wouldn't dismiss the X3 (depending on your specific likes & needs).
Despite a few bills along the way I am very loyal to my E53 but am very aware that there are other makes & models out there that may give more piece of mind in terms of likely maintenance bills & running costs.
Gone - 2002 E53 X5 4.4i Sport (Pre Facelift) Owned 2006-2016.
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Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
Cheers AW8 another informative post!!
You certainly answered all my questions, with regard to MPG i wasn't being ignorant to what you quoted but i am looking at facelift vehicles and understood them to be more economical (valvetronic and six speed box) but please correct me if i am wrong!
Off out to look at some cars this weekend so will see what happens, will go armed with everything i have read and been advised so far!
Cheers
Si
You certainly answered all my questions, with regard to MPG i wasn't being ignorant to what you quoted but i am looking at facelift vehicles and understood them to be more economical (valvetronic and six speed box) but please correct me if i am wrong!
Off out to look at some cars this weekend so will see what happens, will go armed with everything i have read and been advised so far!
Cheers
Si
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......Apologies for not reading your post correctly.
I hope you get some responses re the facelift 4.4i mpg. You are right in that facelift 4.4i mpg is better.......I can only refer you to official test mpg figures in the buyers guide as I haven't owned one. 30 mpg on a run should be possible if taking it easy.
If looking to a newer E53 then 4.4i facelift or 4.8is are appealing........the former not having the sometimes temperamental adjustable suspension unless selected as a rare option by 1st customer
Good Luck
I hope you get some responses re the facelift 4.4i mpg. You are right in that facelift 4.4i mpg is better.......I can only refer you to official test mpg figures in the buyers guide as I haven't owned one. 30 mpg on a run should be possible if taking it easy.
If looking to a newer E53 then 4.4i facelift or 4.8is are appealing........the former not having the sometimes temperamental adjustable suspension unless selected as a rare option by 1st customer
Good Luck
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Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
I have lpg on a 2002 4.4, well pleased, but have a 95litre Stako donut tank fitted.
Go for the largest tank you can fit (I think 95 litre is about the limit) the spare wheel is removed and the donut substituted.
Also make sure if having a new unit fitted that flexible pipes are used
There is quite a bit of info on this site regarding lpg.
Lez
Go for the largest tank you can fit (I think 95 litre is about the limit) the spare wheel is removed and the donut substituted.
Also make sure if having a new unit fitted that flexible pipes are used
There is quite a bit of info on this site regarding lpg.
Lez
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[quote=""Sit""] I would be interested to hear your experiences on mpg, miles from a full tank etc.[/quote] J
Just to add......Miles per tank figures are IMO pretty irrelevant as tanks on our cars are bigger than many. Miles per tank figures are indicative of range rather than economy. The added weight of a full tank plus cost to fill mean that some seldom fill to brim unless on a long run or rarely seeing a great pump price.
Just to add......Miles per tank figures are IMO pretty irrelevant as tanks on our cars are bigger than many. Miles per tank figures are indicative of range rather than economy. The added weight of a full tank plus cost to fill mean that some seldom fill to brim unless on a long run or rarely seeing a great pump price.
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[quote=""B1G JV""]5000 miles per year:
in a 4.4 V8 averaging 17.8 mpg (i get about that too, and only 15-16 when 'really' gunning around) = 280 gallons of petrol.
in a 3.0d averaging 29mpg (split between the 30 and 28 quoted above) = 172 gallons of diesel.
Yearly cost:
V8 fuel cost based on 135p / litre = £1890 per year
3.0d fuel cost based on 139p / litre = £1195 per year
3.0d would save you £695 per year in fuel. So based on 3 year ownership in fuel alone (3x£695) if you can find a 4.4V8 for £2085 less than the diesel then the fuel is not an issue, you're just paying up front for it!
What you have to remember is to budget for your fuel, not the initial outlay. If you have £11k to spend on a car now but then you wont have £160 per month to fuel the V8 (but can afford the £120 a month for the diesel!) then you should put the savings away for the petrol if you buy one.
V8 is a V8 afterall........... even though the 3.0d is a very capable motor it's no V8. So it really comes down to personal preference, as overall costs will be about the same on that mileage. (also get an insurance quote, for me the difference is only about £50 per year so it makes no difference).
hth[/quote]
i dont mean to pck fault but your calculation are slightly wrong, there is only 4.54litres in a gallon not 5!! gets roughly the same difference though just both would acually cost less per year to run
in a 4.4 V8 averaging 17.8 mpg (i get about that too, and only 15-16 when 'really' gunning around) = 280 gallons of petrol.
in a 3.0d averaging 29mpg (split between the 30 and 28 quoted above) = 172 gallons of diesel.
Yearly cost:
V8 fuel cost based on 135p / litre = £1890 per year
3.0d fuel cost based on 139p / litre = £1195 per year
3.0d would save you £695 per year in fuel. So based on 3 year ownership in fuel alone (3x£695) if you can find a 4.4V8 for £2085 less than the diesel then the fuel is not an issue, you're just paying up front for it!
What you have to remember is to budget for your fuel, not the initial outlay. If you have £11k to spend on a car now but then you wont have £160 per month to fuel the V8 (but can afford the £120 a month for the diesel!) then you should put the savings away for the petrol if you buy one.
V8 is a V8 afterall........... even though the 3.0d is a very capable motor it's no V8. So it really comes down to personal preference, as overall costs will be about the same on that mileage. (also get an insurance quote, for me the difference is only about £50 per year so it makes no difference).
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i dont mean to pck fault but your calculation are slightly wrong, there is only 4.54litres in a gallon not 5!! gets roughly the same difference though just both would acually cost less per year to run
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2008 Transit sport van
1964 vw beach buggy
1988 e30 325i convertible
Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
I have heard it said that an optimist is someone who thinks they can just about afford to run a v8
Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
You could well be right and I am not sure I am one!! Although the obvious purchase saving is there the continued trips to the petrol station would prevent me using it as much as I would probably like, I can't justify tying up what for me is a fair wedge of money and not using it because of the fuel.
With that in mind I am now only looking at facelift diesels with full comprehensive service history (as most tend to be 90k+) I have also spoken to BMW who have advised me that with prior booking any dealer will undertake an inspection of a prospective purchase for me. This will be a combination of their used car check and a sort of pre MOT.
That way I will have a heads up before buying as to what condition the cars really in.
The other thing that came into consideration was my low mileage per annum which has two benefits - the first being that in time the mileage which could already be 95k will average out and also the turbo life seems to be suggested around 150k which with me doing circa 5k a year is not likely to be an issue during my ownership.
I am off out looking and there are a fair crop to choose from so I will keep you posted.
Si
With that in mind I am now only looking at facelift diesels with full comprehensive service history (as most tend to be 90k+) I have also spoken to BMW who have advised me that with prior booking any dealer will undertake an inspection of a prospective purchase for me. This will be a combination of their used car check and a sort of pre MOT.
That way I will have a heads up before buying as to what condition the cars really in.
The other thing that came into consideration was my low mileage per annum which has two benefits - the first being that in time the mileage which could already be 95k will average out and also the turbo life seems to be suggested around 150k which with me doing circa 5k a year is not likely to be an issue during my ownership.
I am off out looking and there are a fair crop to choose from so I will keep you posted.
Si
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Re: Fuel Cost Calculations??
I accept the peace of mind such an inspection may bring as does buying a car with remaining BMW warranty albeit you may struggle to find such a beast over 90k.
Turbo's can last well but haver failed below 150k, (sometimes but not always if associated areas of mainteance neglected). I would be interested to know who informed you this was the likely mileage associated turbo life. Many cars advertised with higher mileages may have had repalcement turbo's at some point in past but might not claim to have had a replacement, (because seller is unaware of prior replacement or does not consider such info relevant).
Obviously Turbo isnt only thing that can fail & I appreciate you are doing best to take measures to reduce risk of buying a car with detectable faults at time of purchase.
Not trying to constantly have a dig at your plans regardles but any used E53 ownership has real potential for significant future repair bills....whether V8 or diesel.
Turbo's can last well but haver failed below 150k, (sometimes but not always if associated areas of mainteance neglected). I would be interested to know who informed you this was the likely mileage associated turbo life. Many cars advertised with higher mileages may have had repalcement turbo's at some point in past but might not claim to have had a replacement, (because seller is unaware of prior replacement or does not consider such info relevant).
Obviously Turbo isnt only thing that can fail & I appreciate you are doing best to take measures to reduce risk of buying a car with detectable faults at time of purchase.
Not trying to constantly have a dig at your plans regardles but any used E53 ownership has real potential for significant future repair bills....whether V8 or diesel.
Gone - 2002 E53 X5 4.4i Sport (Pre Facelift) Owned 2006-2016.
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