BMW 7 Series nicked in under 60 seconds

[gs223]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... INUTE.html

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[X5Sport]

Keep your keyless entry keys inside RFID protection bags when they are not actually being used with the car.  These bags are miniature Faraday Cages and prevent the radio signals being harvested and used.

Never leave one of those keys downstairs or anywhere near the car (such as a bedroom overlooking the car).  All this system does is detect and boost the signals from the key so that the car thinks it is in the car or with the person opening the door.

I have noticed that cars fitted with keyless systems do not shut down again if the key isn’t present or disappears - presumably in case it is a key battery fault whilst in use - although starting it again is prevented.

All car manufacturers need to take a long hard look at these systems as currently they are simply not good enough.  Personally I would not choose the option if offered, but many models are now including keyless entry/starting as standard.

[Sky Bear]

it is indeed the fact that you can not avoid it these days as it is becoming standard fit.

[IanP]

Im still not sure why you need keyless starting? Where do you put the fob?

Slightly off the subject, a friend runs a motorcycle repair business, and he had Harley Davidson in for some work. Pickup time came and the mechanic started the bike for the owner who then rode off into the sunset.
An hour later came a phone call from said owner who was stranded at a service station because the bike would not start. It too had keyless starting, but this time the mechanic had the fob in his pocket so the bike started OK at the shop and could be ridden but wouldnt start again when he stopped for petrol.
I know in cars there is a warning about being out of fob range but presumably the Harley didnt have this or it couldnt be seen for vibration....
Still think its a solution to a question that was never asked

[Horizon]

[quote="X5Sport"]
Keep your keyless entry keys inside RFID protection bags when they are not actually being used with the car.  These bags are miniature Faraday Cages and prevent the radio signals being harvested and used.

Never leave one of those keys downstairs or anywhere near the car (such as a bedroom overlooking the car).  All this system does is detect and boost the signals from the key so that the car thinks it is in the car or with the person opening the door.

I have noticed that cars fitted with keyless systems do not shut down again if the key isn’t present or disappears - presumably in case it is a key battery fault whilst in use - although starting it again is prevented.

All car manufacturers need to take a long hard look at these systems as currently they are simply not good enough.  Personally I would not choose the option if offered, but many models are now including keyless entry/starting as standard.
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I've just ordered a two pack of RFID pouches from Amazon for £8.99, my Kia has keyless entry and I was wondering how to overcome this problem ( Thanks X5Sport for the info )
I was concerned when we were miles from home in the touring caravan, sleeping 3 yards away from the car and finding it gone in the morning with no way of getting home

[pvr]

I specifically ordered the new M without that, I really can't see the point or benefit of it.

[lezmtaylor]

I know I may be sounding facetious, but if I was buying a car fitted with these systems I would require the supplying dealer to :
1.  Supply as many RFID pouches as number of key sets.

2. Supply a steering lock.

Lez

[gs223]

Do these RFID pouches actually work?

[RichM50d]

[quote="pvr"]
I specifically ordered the new M without that, I really can't see the point or benefit of it.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but as our cars don’t need the use of a physical “key” to open and start, our cars are also on the at risk list.

[IanP]

[quote="gs223"]
Do these RFID pouches actually work?
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A friend has one for his RS Ford, and the car will not open the doors or start when the key is in the pouch.  As part of an anti theft thing, a police friend was touring the local dealers to persuade them to give away RFID pouuches with a new car purchase.

[Nictrix]

Not sure if this is correct as I do not have Carly but I was reading some of the things that Carly can do and one of them was to disable the comfort access.
If this is correct it would put a lot of minds at rest.

[Horizon]

[quote="IanP"]
[quote="gs223"]
Do these RFID pouches actually work?
[/quote]

A friend has one for his RS Ford, and the car will not open the doors or start when the key is in the pouch.  As part of an anti theft thing, a police friend was touring the local dealers to persuade them to give away RFID pouuches with a new car purchase.
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I received my pouches the other day and tested them by having the keys in the pouch and walking up to the car, it wouldn't open. £9 off Amazon for two pouches

[amacman]

[quote="Nictrix"]
Not sure if this is correct as I do not have Carly but I was reading some of the things that Carly can do and one of them was to disable the comfort access.
If this is correct it would put a lot of minds at rest.
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The comfort access can be disabled using Rheingold and as you say it is probably possible to do using Carly .

Just means you need to press a button on the fob to open and lock the old fashioned way .
RFID shield or tin still recommended .