Is it time to sell the petrol or diesel car and go electric

[gs223]

The one upside is that such a move would destroy the current cartel oil producing countries, OPEC, Saudia, Venezuela, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, totally rotten and corrupt in every respect. Norway is probably the only honest player there.

Somebody once described oil as the Devil's S**t and they weren't wrong.

[AW8]

So we have had the latest budget.

In the interim period before any electric revolution...... If the government was serious about nitrogen levels then perhaps they should shave slapped 30p on a litre of diesel and reduced unleaded by the same amount. As the majority of members here run diesels I suspect the thought of this lacks some appeal.

For years ahead many will still be smoking around in older diesel or petrol vehicles unless outlawed,  A hybrid scrappage scheme will only apply for those prepared to get rid AND able to afford to change, ( many lack savings or are  unable to qualify for finance).

I fully accept that conventional power stations create carbon footprints as do manufacturing processes for electric &/or hybrid vehicles,  their components & maintenance upkeep. Carbon footprint reduction agendas arguably need to reach beyond the emissions of the produced vehicle

[jaynana]

If changing vehicles probably wortg considering a petrol at the least?

My neighbour changed to a petrol to avoid regular charges when driving to london.

This has to have a cumulative effect on diesel car prices.


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[AW8]

Regarding the cumulative effect on diesel prices. I know that GFV figures have been revised by at least one major car brand for diesel models

[A Blair]

Price of oil is never going past $70 / barrel. Soon as it does the American Shale and Fracking boys will open some more wells. So fuel prices are stable but not the govements, bending over the kitchen table for the ignorant greens are not.. Check out how much greenhouse gas a cow or a volcano eruption gives off.
So diesels are being pushed off the road. inevitable. Asthma sufferers do have a point on old old diesels. Its just that all oil burners getting tarred with the same brush is very unfair.
Anyone thinking an electric car is green is just as green.
The emissions are only being moved to a central point.
The charging infrastructure is massive, check out the plugshare map.
I can travel Aberdeen to Newcastle with 20 rapid chargers in between. It will take 8.5 hours and 5 x 30 minute  charges and the battery does go hot. touching 9 on a 10 scale. Its very cheap motoring but not motoring as we know it.
You will arrive in Newcastle bored 54!tle55.
The X5 V8 does it in 5 hours none stop. Quieter, safer and a commanding view out the car. What a hoot to drive too. You will arrive with a smile.

The goverments are playing to the new kyoto agreements blindly encouraging Batterys which will become a monster mess to clean up. Hydrogen is 20 years away.

Its very sad, I am going to keep polluting with my V8 because I know one day I am going to be forced by taxation for my own good to hand it over and be responsible. How noble.
There is no Peter Pan scenario here as much as I want.
Autonomous driving, electric and hybrid is the future.
Poke it is my answer.

[Spandex]

To be fair, the only reason you're comparing a Nissan Leaf to a V8 X5 is that you happen to own them both - I suspect if you did the same journey in a Tesla and a petrol Nissan Micra, you'd come to a different conclusion.

I love the idea of electric cars not because they're better for the environment and our health (although they are, and that's a good thing), but because they're the next step in the evolution of cars. I love cars and driving, but I'm not stuck in a time warp, kidding myself that the pinnacle of motoring just happens to be whatever I grew up with. I don't want to spend the rest of my life driving cars where the only technological advancements are in the entertainment systems and dash displays.

[jaynana]

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I don't want to spend the rest of my life driving cars where the only technological advancements are in the entertainment systems and dash displays.
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lol, good one there

u forgot the advancements being made with massaging seats  )

[A Blair]

u forgot the advancements being made with massaging seats.   

[Spandex]

[quote="A Blair"]
I just feel an ice engine has something electrical does not.
Just a personal view.

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Sure, I get that completely. I have a 4.8l E70 and that's the 4th BMW V8 I've owned. I know I prefer the noise of a big V8 to the whine of an electric motor, but that doesn't mean the V8 sound is 'better' - It just means I happen to have grown up associating burbly exhausts with speed and power.

Just like there are still grown men who get excited by a steam train, I'm sure I will carry on loving the noise and smell of a big V8 long after electric becomes the most popular power source. Nothing wrong with nostalgia, as long as it doesn't trick you into thinking that things were genuinely better back then.

That kind of nostalgia has already got this country into enough trouble, but I'm buggered if I'm going to let it stop me enjoying the next generation of cars.

[Stinky]

Firstly energy isn't free and the National Grid is nowhere near able to cope with the demand millions of electric cars will put on the Grid.  Bear in mind a Nuclear Power Station takes about 20 years from planning to commission...eg Hinkley Point....Chinese & French and miles behind.  Then consider that there will be a need for about 5 such new nuclear power stations in the near term and you begin to realise even 2040 is wishful thinking....even as recent as last week the papers were carrying reports of BREXIT will mean power blackouts as the Grid is already overwhelmed.  Hybrid and Electric of course is the future but the marketing is not attuned to the obstacles...and thus their false deadlines to increase sales will not be able to scale up at the pace they predict....infrastructure deficit too big a gap to close.

[X5Sport]

Brexit won’t affect our power imports from Le Continent - that’s just newspaper scaremongering and poor headlines.  If Russia was the supplier here then maybe, but they aren’t.

That’s not to say there is a bow wave of a problem coming - because there is.  We’re turning coal off with no spares other than expensive gas fired units.  The one near me is only ever run at critical times and the shortfall has been taken up by dozens and dozens of blasted windmills!

[jaynana]

It's a better problem to have than millions of pollution generators spread throughout the country.

The power generation trends don't seem so bad after all

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/el ... -source-gb


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[X5Sport]

Battery tech needs to get better (and it will), and we need to get away from fossil fuels without a doubt, I think we’re are the ones just caught in the transition state and change is never easy. 

My choice for the future (based on today’s needs and available options) will be a minimum of a Euro 6c or later, Diesel, but I am keeping my eyes, ears and options open as I have 14 months to decide.

[lezmtaylor]

Why is it that lpg does not get a look in.
Various benefits other than non poisonous emissions, cheaper to run (after installation costs factored out), London surcharge avoided.
Then, as it is a gas, the engine oil  itself does not get contaminated and oil change life can be safely doubled, spark plug life is also extended. and reduced road fund licence.
I know I am an lpg convert having run lpg Ford Transits when I had an Express freight delivery business(with a Ford fitted system Landi Hartog if I remember correctly).
Also as a forklift truck engineer,  lpg forklifts used inside  factories and cold stores as non poisonous emissions.
Finally my own 4,4 2002 e53 had it fitted on purchase in 2006 and still going strong. Does not require any oil top ups between oil changes whatsoever.

Lez

[X5Sport]

Good questions Lez, and I don’t know why 100% gas isn’t an option.  Is it something like calorific value and may be less bang, or just technically more challenging - though plenty of forklifts etc run on it.