Just found this but doesn't make sence to me.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissi ... ge-checker
My result 2004 320d
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is subject to the T-Charge but not chargeable.
Just put my 2002 x5 3.0d in and this came up ???????????? strange.
Silver BMW X5 D SPORT AUTO
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle).
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London 'T' charge
London 'T' charge
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Re: London 'T' charge
And mine also (2002 4.4 with lpg)
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Re: London 'T' charge
I know why the 320d is not chargeable as it is registered disabled.
But i don't understand the 2002 x5 3.0d part.
But i don't understand the 2002 x5 3.0d part.
Re: London 'T' charge
One possible explanation for the discrepancies is that the web site checkers are taking into account the DVLA-recorded emissions figures. If you look at your V5C in Section 4 you will see either in subsection D.2 or in subsection V details about the vehicle. In my case (car in signature below) I see:
V1: CO: 0.370
V2: HC: 0.057
V3: NOx: 0.024
Now, if I look at the AA's version of the official Euro standards at https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/fu ... -standards it appears AFAICS that my car easily meets Euro 6 while being 10 years older than the standard date.
Nevertheless, I have a suspicion that the taxing authorities like TfL would find it a lot more favourable to them to simply ban based on age. An article has just come out suggesting that car manufacturers had a lot more influence on this issue than is said: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/s ... -industry/ . Can we expect BMW to officially state the achieved compliance level of older cars?
V1: CO: 0.370
V2: HC: 0.057
V3: NOx: 0.024
Now, if I look at the AA's version of the official Euro standards at https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/fu ... -standards it appears AFAICS that my car easily meets Euro 6 while being 10 years older than the standard date.
Nevertheless, I have a suspicion that the taxing authorities like TfL would find it a lot more favourable to them to simply ban based on age. An article has just come out suggesting that car manufacturers had a lot more influence on this issue than is said: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/s ... -industry/ . Can we expect BMW to officially state the achieved compliance level of older cars?
X3 2004 3.0i SE
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Just ran my old 2005 E53 plate and it comes back as EU4 compliant even though BMW only officially declared them as EU3.
Perhaps they were ‘early adopters’ of EU4 but as it wasn’t in force when the cars were type approved can only declare EU3?
Perhaps they were ‘early adopters’ of EU4 but as it wasn’t in force when the cars were type approved can only declare EU3?
Never anthropomorphise computers. They hate that.Re: London 'T' charge
Well, clearly at any given point in time a manufacturer can only state compliance with regulations in effect, or notified, at that point in time. However, if a given model has declared (and presumably has had verified) specific emissions outputs which comply with later standards, then the authorities should recognize the model as so compliant.
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
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X3 2004 3.0i SE
Re: London 'T' charge
gs223---Got the numbers on my V5C just looked.
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Interesting...
My 2001 X5 4.4 is chargeable, as is my 1999 323 E46.
My 2003 330ci is not chargeable as it meets Euro 4 emission standards.
Plus and this isn't surprising my 1977 Triumph Stag is also chargeable..
My 2001 X5 4.4 is chargeable, as is my 1999 323 E46.
My 2003 330ci is not chargeable as it meets Euro 4 emission standards.
Plus and this isn't surprising my 1977 Triumph Stag is also chargeable..
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2001 X5 E53 4.4i, Oxford green, pastel green two-tone leather. Owned 2017.
1999 E46 323i SE saloon, Fern Green, grey leather. Owned fm 2006
2003 E46 330ci vert, Orient Blue, cream leather, Dynavin N6. Owned fm 2010.
1999 E46 323i SE saloon, Fern Green, grey leather. Owned fm 2006
2003 E46 330ci vert, Orient Blue, cream leather, Dynavin N6. Owned fm 2010.
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[quote="gs223"]
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
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Because when tested it was that good and far exceeded the minimum standard required by DVSA. Not sure whether every car is tested at point of import into EU (Bremerhaven) or a general rule is applied. Whichever it is, it is good news
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
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Because when tested it was that good and far exceeded the minimum standard required by DVSA. Not sure whether every car is tested at point of import into EU (Bremerhaven) or a general rule is applied. Whichever it is, it is good news
Never anthropomorphise computers. They hate that.
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Hate driving in London, I am a nervous wreck with all the speed cameras everywhere )
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Just ran my 05 (55 plate) 3.0d sport x5 and it is chargeable. Interesting given Alan's 02 isn't chargeable, so they got worse as they got newer lol.
My 06 lexus gs450h hybrid isn't though, and neither is my Aprila falco or ktm 450.
I'd bet that the diesel x5 is better for the environment than the other 3 lol, which all use fuel like it's air.
Not that it matters as avoid London driving lol.
My 06 lexus gs450h hybrid isn't though, and neither is my Aprila falco or ktm 450.
I'd bet that the diesel x5 is better for the environment than the other 3 lol, which all use fuel like it's air.
Not that it matters as avoid London driving lol.
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2005 (55 plate) x5 3.0d sport, auto trans, nav tv thingy, but no dsp.
Under a turbo swap presently (fingers crossed it fixes her!)
Under a turbo swap presently (fingers crossed it fixes her!)
Re: London 'T' charge
There is a post running on a vw forum i belong to.
It has some numbers NOx and the sort.
Have a look at the numbers as it makes no sense at all.
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewto ... =3&t=91836
It has some numbers NOx and the sort.
Have a look at the numbers as it makes no sense at all.
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewto ... =3&t=91836
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[quote="pvr"]
Hate driving in London, I am a nervous wreck with all the speed cameras everywhere)
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cant drive anywhere fast enough to get done by the cameras.
Hate driving in London, I am a nervous wreck with all the speed cameras everywhere
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cant drive anywhere fast enough to get done by the cameras.
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[quote="Imy"]
[quote="pvr"]
Hate driving in London, I am a nervous wreck with all the speed cameras everywhere)
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cant drive anywhere fast enough to get done by the cameras.
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He can, but drives like Grandma
O:-)
[quote="pvr"]
Hate driving in London, I am a nervous wreck with all the speed cameras everywhere
)[/quote]
cant drive anywhere fast enough to get done by the cameras.
[/quote]
He can, but drives like Grandma
O:-) Never anthropomorphise computers. They hate that.Re: London 'T' charge
[quote="gs223"]
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
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Further investigation provides the answer. If one goes to http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/ and follows the link entitled Find fuel consumption and emissions information on a new or used car and then answers the various successive queries, one ends up on a web page like this:
A full dataset of emissions information may be downloaded as a CSV at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/downloads/default.aspx if the above fails.
The thing I really don't like about this whole thing is that the taxing authorities appear to be delegating to the car manufacturer to declare Euro conformity when all the information is already available and in their database. The idea that a car company would undermine their opportunity for new car sales by endorsing conformity when it wasn't obligatory is laughable.
So, how did those emissions numbers get on my V5C?
[/quote]
Further investigation provides the answer. If one goes to http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/ and follows the link entitled Find fuel consumption and emissions information on a new or used car and then answers the various successive queries, one ends up on a web page like this:
A full dataset of emissions information may be downloaded as a CSV at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/downloads/default.aspx if the above fails.
The thing I really don't like about this whole thing is that the taxing authorities appear to be delegating to the car manufacturer to declare Euro conformity when all the information is already available and in their database. The idea that a car company would undermine their opportunity for new car sales by endorsing conformity when it wasn't obligatory is laughable.
X3 2004 3.0i SE