is getting a remap bad for your car

[Waka]

[quote=""storminmike""]
love the whistling turbo though up country lanes[/quote]

That's interesting, I can never hear the turbo whistle from mine and thought I should. I sometimes get a slight 'squeak' at low revs. I wonder if my turbo is on its way out although it doesn't seem short of power.

I get 27mpg as a total average and once saw 39 on the motorway, but my driving style usually means I get low 30s on the faster roads

[535dboy]

[quote=""Waka""][quote=""storminmike""]
love the whistling turbo though up country lanes[/quote]

That's interesting, I can never hear the turbo whistle from mine and thought I should. I sometimes get a slight 'squeak' at low revs. I wonder if my turbo is on its way out although it doesn't seem short of power.

I get 27mpg as a total average and once saw 39 on the motorway, but my driving style usually means I get low 30s on the faster roads [/quote]

Turbo whistle normally means turbo on way out

Never heard of any of my turbos

[nujon]

[quote=""pvr""]I get 36 on a motorway trip, 32/33 in town. [/quote]

I consistently get similar - mid 30's running about, high 30's m/way

[storminmike]

[quote=""andym3""][quote=""storminmike""]love the whistling turbo though up country lanes[/quote]
You should try the noise of a V8 up country lanes! [/quote]
Is that the clunking of the worn out petrol filler cap

[storminmike]

[quote=""535dboy""][quote=""Waka""][quote=""storminmike""]
love the whistling turbo though up country lanes[/quote]

That's interesting, I can never hear the turbo whistle from mine and thought I should. I sometimes get a slight 'squeak' at low revs. I wonder if my turbo is on its way out although it doesn't seem short of power.

I get 27mpg as a total average and once saw 39 on the motorway, but my driving style usually means I get low 30s on the faster roads [/quote]

Turbo whistle normally means turbo on way out

Never heard of any of my turbos[/quote]


I what way.....I can only hear the low whistle (not loud)with the windows down on a country lane with hedges in close proximty and feathering the throttle...sound soothing and in no way metal on metal....just a whooshing...maybe i'm leaking some pressure

[jason@bwchiptune]

[quote=""535dboy""][quote=""chetalien""]Is there a remap for 3.0sd/35d? I am mostly interested in increasing economy. advice appreciated. I hope jason or phil can advice me.[/quote]
Yes there is c345 bhp and 513lb/ft

Won't really improve economy though[/quote]

you can get more mpg and its all down to how you adjust the ecu maps,all out right power or power and more mpg

most people will ask for more power and mpg

[jason@bwchiptune]

[quote=""storminmike""][quote=""nujon""]Anyone had an X5 re-mapped from the as-supplied management prog. - who can say unequivically that both performance and economy have been significantly improved ? - I'm presently open-minded but would be tempted in response to enough positive reports

Only had my X5 for 10 days but getting ~ 35mpg running about and just under 40mpg on long m/way runs - quite nippy too - not unhappy with these figures (maybe already been re-mapped !)[/quote]

Crikey.... I just celebrated today as I hit 30 mpg (computer said so) on a 47 mile journey

If I could have 40 mpg with no loss of performance or even drove better/smoother I'd be delerious.....I'd be still happy with 35 mpg as a trade off with a bit more oomph

What I don't get is why (providng they're good programs) that the code has to be sent off....are not all X5s of a certain engine/age/build to same dealer program or is this just insurance to know what's what?


facelft 3.0d by the way


EDIT....am I asking for the earth....can what I want be achieved?

My indy reckoned he had a new diagnostic box that (perhaps with code from somewhere) could re-map for me....price unknown[/quote]

on diesels it depends on how it's been tuned ,there are many ways than just one way to write/tuned & eco files

0 mpg more with max power output
2-3 mpg with extra power and mpg
3-5 mpg with reduced power

[jason@bwchiptune]

[quote=""pvr""]Interesting point raised there, as if indeed the dealer could "wipe" a remap, it implies that they are all the same and therefore a remap should also apply to all cars or is it a case that a remap is completely done on the individual characteristics of an engine than use a "generic" map?[/quote]


dealers can wipe the remap as the dealer tool will update the full software or rewrite over the full software
to do this it will 1st wipe a section and then write that section,it must do this before it can go on to the next section

at the bristol meet we can see if we can find to cars with the identical ecu,hardware and software,read both files and compare them to show that both the files are different




@kena

yes PD tuning [/quote]

They are very good, they did my remap last year.[/quote]

i know i have your files for your here

[andym3]

[quote=""storminmike""][quote=""andym3""][quote=""storminmike""]love the whistling turbo though up country lanes[/quote]
You should try the noise of a V8 up country lanes! [/quote]
Is that the clunking of the worn out petrol filler cap [/quote]
Even though it does 16 - 17 mpg, as it has such a big tank I get about 350 miles out of it! Just costs a fortune to fill to the brim!

[jason@bwchiptune]

[quote=""storminmike""][quote=""pvr""]Interesting point raised there, as if indeed the dealer could "wipe" a remap, it implies that they are all the same and therefore a remap should also apply to all cars or is it a case that a remap is completely done on the individual characteristics of an engine than use a "generic" map?[/quote]


Dunno....maybe Jason can answer this one

I thought that if the code was sent off it was sort of like a blue print in order to pick the appropriate alternative map off the shelf (having been previously developed) so to speak

therefore
map A becomes tweaked A
map B becomes tweaked B

etc

where map A relates to engine x....car y etc...

dunno.....maybe that's why the new code can be put back in so quick?[/quote]



to get into tuning it depends on what persons bugdet is like to start with and if they would like to make there own mod files(which not every one has the time or knowledge to do) £1600 will allow you to buy a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files,
if you want to make your own mod maps a start off kit will cost about £5100 onwards with some training,this will get you on the 1st stage of the ladder which would be a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files and software to adjust the maps in(these normaly come with a subsciption of about £1000 x 2 to maintain a year)
there is no ending to the price you can pay for different equipment and software

with the software to mod the maps,after training and some help, he/she will be able to very roughy tune a bmw diesel engine 1 type way only with bit of knowledge and the files map loctions provided by the tuning software,this will give about and extra lets say on a 25-35bhp extra

its like a kid with his first drawing and 5 different colour pencils(the ori file and the map locations),the more he draws the better he sharper the drawing gets(adjusting maps),
if he mixes the colours he can get other colours that look nice or look not so nice and so he knowledge expands(some maps together will produce more power & torque,others together will lose or hold back power and torque) if he studys what he is doing he will learn more but after some time(fine tuning the maps)
but he is still resticted by the colours he has(maps to adjust by the tuning software)
he can know make the mods to the maps in a short time(he will only be able to do this type of tuning till he gets to the next level)


now to tune +45bhp or more with strong torque he will need open software which is for the pros(to see and find all the maps by him self,which he will need years of knowledge to find,rescale and adjust the extra maps) to allow adjustment of more maps and raise restrictors in theflash read from the ecu,which takes alot more time to do
some on here have seen us adjusting there cars ecu maps and know how long it can take

[storminmike]

[quote=""jason@bwchiptune""][quote=""storminmike""][quote=""pvr""]Interesting point raised there, as if indeed the dealer could "wipe" a remap, it implies that they are all the same and therefore a remap should also apply to all cars or is it a case that a remap is completely done on the individual characteristics of an engine than use a "generic" map?[/quote]


Dunno....maybe Jason can answer this one

I thought that if the code was sent off it was sort of like a blue print in order to pick the appropriate alternative map off the shelf (having been previously developed) so to speak

therefore
map A becomes tweaked A
map B becomes tweaked B

etc

where map A relates to engine x....car y etc...

dunno.....maybe that's why the new code can be put back in so quick?[/quote]



to get into tuning it depends on what persons bugdet is like to start with and if they would like to make there own mod files(which not every one has the time or knowledge to do) £1600 will allow you to buy a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files,
if you want to make your own mod maps a start off kit will cost about £5100 onwards with some training,this will get you on the 1st stage of the ladder which would be a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files and software to adjust the maps in(these normaly come with a subsciption of about £1000 x 2 to maintain a year)
there is no ending to the price you can pay for different equipment and software

with the software to mod the maps,after training and some help, he/she will be able to very roughy tune a bmw diesel engine 1 type way only with bit of knowledge and the files map loctions provided by the tuning software,this will give about and extra lets say on a 25-35bhp extra

its like a kid with his first drawing and 5 different colour pencils(the ori file and the map locations),the more he draws the better he sharper the drawing gets(adjusting maps),
if he mixes the colours he can get other colours that look nice or look not so nice and so he knowledge expands(some maps together will produce more power & torque,others together will lose or hold back power and torque) if he studys what he is doing he will learn more but after some time(fine tuning the maps)
but he is still resticted by the colours he has(maps to adjust by the tuning software)
he can know make the mods to the maps in a short time(he will only be able to do this type of tuning till he gets to the next level)


now to tune +45bhp or more with strong torque he will need open software which is for the pros(to see and find all the maps by him self,which he will need years of knowledge to find,rescale and adjust the extra maps) to allow adjustment of more maps and raise restrictors in theflash read from the ecu,which takes alot more time to do
some on here have seen us adjusting there cars ecu maps and know how long it can take[/quote]

Cheers Jason...that's quite a comprehensive reply

Do you think my indy will therefore have access to some illicit maps then given he has the hardware?


I know there is no such thing as a free lunch but say with a facelift 3.0d can all parameters (MPG, torque, HP) be improved at once without one going negative?

Like e.g MPG, HP, Tq

standard car 0, 0, 0

made up numbers for illustration

tune a.... +10, +30 + 30
tune b...+5, +50, + 50
tune c...-5, +80, +80

in other words do you offer a menu

ps...did you used to be on the e36coupe forum?

[storminmike]

[quote=""andym3""]Even though it does 16 - 17 mpg, as it has such a big tank I get about 350 miles out of it! Just costs a fortune to fill to the brim! [/quote]


Does the onboard comp have "warning....empty wallet" or "warning....filler cap worn beyond factory tolerance"

Oh for a V8 and cheap middle east fuel

[andym3]

at 125.9 per ltr it costs me about £120 to fill every time I fill up!

[nujon]

Got 40.3 mpg on sunday from Ayr to Gretna after a warm start - mainly dual and m/way - 'bout best it will do I think for a 2.7te 3 litre and I'm not unhappy at that (+~35mpg running around) - think I'll stick!

[jason@bwchiptune]

to get into tuning it depends on what persons bugdet is like to start with and if they would like to make there own mod files(which not every one has the time or knowledge to do) £1600 will allow you to buy a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files,
if you want to make your own mod maps a start off kit will cost about £5100 onwards with some training,this will get you on the 1st stage of the ladder which would be a professional reader and writer to down/upload the ecu flash files and software to adjust the maps in(these normaly come with a subsciption of about £1000 x 2 to maintain a year)
there is no ending to the price you can pay for different equipment and software

with the software to mod the maps,after training and some help, he/she will be able to very roughy tune a bmw diesel engine 1 type way only with bit of knowledge and the files map loctions provided by the tuning software,this will give about and extra lets say on a 25-35bhp extra

its like a kid with his first drawing and 5 different colour pencils(the ori file and the map locations),the more he draws the better he sharper the drawing gets(adjusting maps),
if he mixes the colours he can get other colours that look nice or look not so nice and so he knowledge expands(some maps together will produce more power & torque,others together will lose or hold back power and torque) if he studys what he is doing he will learn more but after some time(fine tuning the maps)
but he is still resticted by the colours he has(maps to adjust by the tuning software)
he can know make the mods to the maps in a short time(he will only be able to do this type of tuning till he gets to the next level)


now to tune +45bhp or more with strong torque he will need open software which is for the pros(to see and find all the maps by him self,which he will need years of knowledge to find,rescale and adjust the extra maps) to allow adjustment of more maps and raise restrictors in theflash read from the ecu,which takes alot more time to do
some on here have seen us adjusting there cars ecu maps and know how long it can take[/quote]

Cheers Jason...that's quite a comprehensive reply

Do you think my indy will therefore have access to some illicit maps then given he has the hardware?


I know there is no such thing as a free lunch but say with a facelift 3.0d can all parameters (MPG, torque, HP) be improved at once without one going negative?

Like e.g MPG, HP, Tq

standard car 0, 0, 0

made up numbers for illustration

tune a.... +10, +30 + 30
tune b...+5, +50, + 50
tune c...-5, +80, +80

in other words do you offer a menu

ps...did you used to be on the e36coupe forum?[/quote]


we can adjust the remaps to how you need/want

ie 3.0sd for more mpg

i am mentioned on e36 and did sponcer it last year