Is anyone concerned about going deisel ?

[webwysard]

Was reading this post on PH,

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/top ... &t=1664565

[graemeX5]

Hi

I guess it will really depend on what measures the Government is going to use to tackle pollution in cities. The level of punitive taxes or pollution charges such increased road tax, or fuel duty, or LEZ charges etc or equally incentives to change to less polluting cars, tradein scappage lower fuel duty and road tax.

The problem they seem to be facing is the previous governments encouraged the purchase of diesel cars so as a couple of people posted on pistonheads it is unlikely to be too severe otherwise they will loose votes in the end.

Unfortunately as we know is has become clear that diesel car emissions in the official tests can be manipulated by car companies, so the figures are low for the tests, when in the real world the emissions are significantly higher. And it's probably not restricted to one make and probably applies to more cars and the different fuel types than we really know.

If you need a diesel because you are driving a lot of miles, you will probably continue with one, due to the better fuel consumption, esp if a company car scheme offers them. If you are like me, a weekend user, then you may decided to go petrol especially if residuals are hit more deeply with a diesel. It will be the normal motorist who is doing 10k a year on the border that may have a more difficult choice and their budgets are tight, with every penny counts.

What this does is turn diesel cars into a pariah, being the worst in the world, yet the principal was that they emitted less co2 I think, than petrol cars is still probably true.

I think there will be a switch to more hybrid petrol/electric cars and full electric for some, but diesel cars, vans and lorries will not disappear overnight and there are too many interested parties for that to happen.

However, it will increase in transport costs for companies, which will more likely than not be passed on to the consumer in terms of higher prices for goods and services, so we end up paying more for everything.

I sold the diesel car a couple of years back, as the wife's motoring had changed from 12k miles a year down to 6k a year and the car was starting not to like short journeys and it resulted in probs with the inlet manifold. My
ex-company car just could not cope with short journeys and stop start traffic, so that went back at the end of the term.

We now have two small petrol engines cars for daily running and neither of them obtain the official fuel consumption figures but are better with short journeys and no dpf filter issues to worry about.

Graeme

[pvr]

My next replacement of the X5 will not be a diesel, I have done 24k miles in mine and it is 5 years old.

Most likely looking at a X5M or Cayenne as a replacement now.

[GeeRam]

[quote="pvr"]
My next replacement of the X5 will not be a diesel, I have done 24k miles in mine and it is 5 years old.

Most likely looking at a X5M or Cayenne as a replacement now.
[/quote]

Crikey......that's definately petrol mileage territory.

My problem is my mileage can vary hugely depending on where I work. As a contractor, I can have a 18 month contract working in central London, in which case my mileage could be as little as 4/5k per annum, as I'd be only using car at weekend, but then I could have a contract that means a 100 mile per day driving commute.....so very difficult to take chance on going petrol and then being forced to spend a fortune on fuel!!

[X5Sport]

I ended up in the same position when I bought the X6.  Was commuting to Manchester (170 miles) and then suddenly worked from home.

Now commuting 60 miles a day.  The X6 has just 35k on it since new (2010) but the Škoda Superb has 23k after only 17 months - hence it being on lease.

[IanP]

[quote="pvr"]
My next replacement of the X5 will not be a diesel, I have done 24k miles in mine and it is 5 years old.

Most likely looking at a X5M or Cayenne as a replacement now.
[/quote]

X5M. 17mpg 

[graemeX5]

My petrol E53 4.4 was less than that when going fast at least with the X5M you have a bit more power and comfort but the E53 averaged about 19mpg

My current E70 is about the same and bit better on a gentle run and less when is opened up, but I do have a big grin.

[touring]

When I ordered my X5 30d, the dealer said if I had the 40e today he would give me £5k less for it in 3 years as opposed to a 30d, with the 40e at least £5k more now that would make a £10k loss.

This was sufficient difference to swing me to the 30d, in 3 years it will be a different world, electric is obviously not the solution (now) it will get better but lithium ion is not without its detractors.

[AW8]

I am mindful this thread has been started in the F15 section.

Fuel type is of relevance to used buyers too...

Prior to my petrol E53 going I had seriously been considering replacing it with a used diesel vehicle......F25 & E70 diesels were top of my list.

Typing this with a stop gap car happily sat on driveway....

I suspect for many buyers of new cars , financial considerations issues are a greater consideration than any planet damage from emissions.

For me, as a potential used buyer,  I currently find myself a little reluctant to significantly spend on a used diesel, (if used diesel values allegedly have potential to take a hit).

Used E70 petrol models cost £500 a year to tax , (like other used buyers I resent paying this & have depreciation concerns of owning a car that costs that much to tax). Used F25 X3 only comes with diesel engines.

With the above issues I have been seriously looking at non diesel used buying solutions....(models from BMW & other marques seriously considered).

My personal dilemma may seem irrelevant to many, however, I doubt I am alone in having used diesel buying reservations.

Some might feel that any significant fall in used diesel demand might influence residuals & maths for those looking to sell or p/x out of these models in future..

[MarkG_M3CP]

My next car will be a big petrol. Mainly because my mileage has dropped from 25k p/a to more like 10k but also because I am seriously concerned the big engined fun car's days are numbered.

The next next car is likely to be hybrid or fully electric [shudder!]

[mavg]

I've just swapped my X5 40d with a 40e (both 2016) as for me non diesel is making more sense in the current environment, especially as I prefer "green" vehicles myself

I am absolutely amazed with how good the 40e is....would defo recommend :xmasevil:

[lezmtaylor]

Nobody seems to be considering the benefits of going to a petrol with lpg conversion, or diesel with lpg (rare conversion).
Especially if you live in towns or cities. I know If you lived in London it is (was) exempt from their congestion charge.
Their are hidden benefits , Cleaner oil, plug life extended. fuel at 60p per litre

My 4.4. gives approx  35mpg when you factor in the cost of lpg and allow for 10% loss of efficeincy.

Had it fitted when I bought the car at 4 years old 40K 11 years ago she has now done 92000. So can speak from experience.

Lez

[RickUK]

When i bought my X5 about a month ago,i looked at the wider picture and what i wanted the car for and would it do the job that i wanted it for and all the boxes got ticked,so i went for the diesel option and must admit i have never regretted it thus far.

I dont do high mileages anyway so the long term cost is not critical,creature comforts and safety had been high on the list,so for me personally its not a issue,the only thing that peeved me though and that was the £500 road tax,that really peeved me off.

As i dont drive in or near London then the congestion charge also does not bother me either,i cannot see the fun in taking a Chelsea tractor into Londinium when the tube is much less stressful.

I cannot see in the next 5 years or so diesel being totally stopped,but maybe long term ie 10-15 years diesel cars will be a thing of the past,electric cars just have not caught on and until they can get far higher distances between charges then hybrid is the way forward at the moment that is.

The total cost involved of just buying a electric car with just batteries just dont stack up,if you a member of say 'friends of the earth' then it would be fine and of course deep pockets too buy the them in the 1st place,look at the price of a Tesla compared with the Toyota hybrid type of car a massive difference in price.

The Government has done extremely well out of use motorists since brain washing us that diesel was the best way forward,but although they will see a massive drop in tax revenues from diesel as folks look for alternative fuels or transportation power you can guarantee that the government wont miss a tax opportunity either after they have offered the carrot dangler so that we all convert over to the newer fuel source what ever that will be.

[allanhelen]

I must admit I am a petrol owner, I'm not anti diesel, my wife drives a diesel car as she does 18K per year but i do so few miles that i only fill up the car every other month so I may as well enjoy the V8 for what it costs me to run.

One thing to consider especially on cars like X5 is that the majority of the vehicles sold came with diesel engines and the choices of petrol engine cars is very limited, (just look at autotrader if you don't believe me). So choice of petrol vehicles on the secondhand market is very poor and the market takes a longtime to refresh, it seems there are not many people looking for secondhand V8's. It took me many months of searching to find the car I have now and I have had to compromise on the ideal spec to get what i have.

So if you are thinking of ditching the Diesel and making a preemptive move to Petrol you best start looking now, if you are lucky you might just find the one you want before the government makes up its mind on its next money grabbing scheme sorry i mean environmental policy

[kenniff]

Just getting rid of my 2013 diesel x5 and replacing with another diesel X5. I do really low mileage but the diesel was cheaper than the petrol X5. At least the new one meets the standard to avoid the proposed tax in central london, although despite living 6 miles from the centre for the last 15 years  i have paid congestion zone fee once in that time.