3.0d X5 e70 wont crank and therefore wont start

[kjb1]

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I was talking to a BMW tech years ago, and was told a story about a 5 series E60 they had in their workshop a few weeks previously, it was shortly after the E60 was introduced, so maybe early 2004.
The fault was non cranking non starting. This old school tech said he would have a look and was told that several master techs had plugged their laptops in and no fault was found. Eventually BMW sent someone over from Germany, he was stumped too. Then whilst everyone was on their lunch break he had a butchers and separated the multi plug from the ignition switch, re fitted it after there was no signs of anything obviously wrong. Tried the car and it started. This was reported to the factory and they said it could not happen  as the connecter was designed to prevent bad connections..
I always check starters by bridging the selenoid connection with the live feed to the starter, if the starter fires up, the i would look for a control wiring problem.
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Will pass this info on tomorrow.  Its all pointing to this BSD code that will not clear I think, hopefully they should be able to let me know something by tomorrow evening. 

Atleast I have a code up, its a start I guess.


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[X5Sport]

Is this any use:  it's for the F10 with the same gearbox....

Here is the complete directions from BMW

On vehicles produced from 09/2010 or on vehicles updated with ISTA/D 2.39.0 or higher (target integration level from 10-09-500), the following procedure to electronically unlock the parking lock may be used if an engine does not start but the starter motor is still operational:

1) Turn the ignition ON (KL15).
2) Press the brake pedal and continue pressing it throughout all further steps.
3) Press the Start/Stop button (starter will engage).
4) As soon as the starter motor is engaged, press the unlock button on the left side of the GWS shifter and move the shifter forward to position N.

Note: For M57Y diesel engine-equipped vehicles and during low ambient temperatures, a certain delay (up to 4 seconds) may be experienced before switching to the N position.

5) Continue pressing the GWS shifter towards the N position until the audible gong is heard and a CC message "Gearbox Malfunction. Gearbox position P may not be possible. Activate parking brake while vehicle is standing" is displayed.
6) Then release the gearshift and reselect the N position within the next 6 seconds. Gear position N is then displayed in the instrument cluster.
7) Continue depressing the brake pedal until the starter motor stops cranking. Then the brake pedal can be released and the vehicle can be moved/pushed into a desired place.

Important:
After applying the procedure described above, the vehicle can only be moved manually. Towing is prohibited since the parking lock may engage, causing severe transmission damage.

The ignition has to be ON (KL15) at all the times during this process. If turned OFF, the Park gear position is going to be engaged automatically.

NOTE: If neutral position N cannot be achieved, cycle the ignition ON/OFF several times (press the Start/Stop button without depressing the brake pedal). Then try steps 1 to 7 again. After 3 unsuccessful attempts, a minimum 10-minute starter "cool-down" period is required before another try.

Alternative process

If the process above doesn't work, try this:
Doing some net searching, I found the following....

Apparently, our 8-speed auto gear boxes (sport or standard) have software to release the transmission using the lever.

1: Push start button or attempt to start the car (even if it doesn't turn over, just push it down anyway
2: Push the lever twice in to N
3: Push the lever to N and hold for 5 seconds
4: Transmission is now disengaged for 15 minutes after which it will re-lock itself.

[X5Sport]

Or even this:
Emergency Release of Parking Lock
In the case of emergency (e.g. failure of the system voltage), the parking lock can be released by correspondingly operating the emergency release.

To access the emergency release, the rubber inlay in the front cup holder is first removed and then the cover released by turning in counter-clockwise direction. The emergency release is now accessible.

The vehicle tool kit includes a handle for the emergency release. This handle is inserted in the emergency release. The parking lock is released by turning in clockwise direction.

The emergency release is locked by pressing down on the handle. The handle for the emergency release of the parking lock is also used for the emergency release of the electro-mechanical parking brake.

In the event of the system voltage failing, first release the electro-mechanical parking brake (EMF) as the handle remains in the emergency release.

Note: Do not remove the handle from the emergency release while the vehicle is being towed as this will reengage the parking lock.

Releasing the parking lock with the emergency release generates a fault code entry in the EGS: "Parking lock release error"

[kjb1]

Richard, can try it in the morning and report back on findings.

Thanks for the options;

to confirm, my car is a 2007, 57" plate 3.0d SE Dynamic.

6 speedbox yes?


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[X5Sport]

Try this video.  http://youtu.be/3viS4EcaW3o

Mine is an 8-speed with no release from above..... >:(

One thing to check is whether the car is putting the transmission lock under tension as the weight is on it.  If you chock the car and then release the parking brake it may take the tension off?  That might then allow the lever to rotate and press down which unlocks it.

Richard

[kjb1]

Can try this also [emoji106]

My red tool removes the cover, but underneath that is an actual ignition barrel which when you slide blade out of key, fits the barrel but doesn't unlock it!! ( keys are original and operate doors etc )


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[X5Sport]

There isn't a second cover on is there?  I've not seen any mention of what you have on line or in the Owners Manuals for the 6-speed.  The red tool should just drop in... ??? ??? ???

Richard

[kjb1]

Yes same here.  Im wondering as mine is one of the first E70's possibly? was design changed to make it easier?? its 100% not another cover.  Will take a picture to show you in morning.  its a weird one!! red tool removes cover, but under it is a rather lonely looking barrel.


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[kjb1]

here is the picture Richard:



Its not mentioned anywhere!!!


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[X5Sport]

Anything in your handbook?

I'm wondering if that lifts out with the key in it and then the red tool fits in?

Richard

[kjb1]

No nothing in handbook.  The key seems to get 2/3 of way in.  And no more, cannot turn it left or right!! feels solid so unlikely it will come off etc.  Silly design by bmw, [emoji107]


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[X5Sport]

Took me a while, but I've found this.....

What you have is a locking cover with a coded catch....fitted to UK models and unlocked with the key in the fob.  May need a bit of lubricating and fiddling to get the key in.  Added security measure for our versions apparently.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do ... g=24&fg=13

That cover prevents access to the unlock function hence it needs to come out.  Try putting your foot on the brake in case there is an interlock?

Richard

[kjb1]

well done richard!! [emoji106]

so its just a case of removing that key bit and underneath is the tool female section yes?


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[kjb1]

the lock is 100% seized!! i give up!! AA called.


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[X5Sport]

It says it should just pop out and the unlock tool then fits.  Hopefully the AA can sort it.

Given the location it was bound to get crud in it!  It is not mentioned in any books, I came across it by pure chance and looked in Realoem.

There are no instructions on how it comes out, or how far in the key goes.  Just that it needs removing and is coded to the car key.

Richard